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Post by matt86 on Sun Dec 11 2011, 12:35

firstly i have had the engine running today fro around half a hour . and notice 2 main problems .

1 , I have leaking fuel unions and tried to tighten them up but they are tight . Its the one on the fuel feed from the pump at the pump end and the carb end as well . What can i do to seal these ? Was thinking on using PTFE tape but is it petrol proof ?

the 2nd is that can a fuel pump pump too much fuel ? As mine seem to be, as much as i fiddle with the carb getting fuel dripping out of the air intake/choke plate its not peeing out but ones its going well you can see it gathering in the bottom hole .

If i was to rebuild the fuel pump / re pack the glands would this help ? The pump does weep a little bit though , how would you repack this ??? anyone who has done it before that can give me some hints ?

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Post by matt86 on Sun Dec 11 2011, 13:48

Oh and also what size graphite string would i need to use for the packing ?

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Post by JONESEY on Sun Dec 11 2011, 20:29

Try giving the unions a good clean ,they ieak becouse they have been over tightened. Is there not a pipe that runs back to the tank for excesse fuel Question
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Re: Lister A fuel system problems !

Post by matt86 on Sun Dec 11 2011, 20:31

JONESEY wrote:Try giving the unions a good clean ,they ieak becouse they have been over tightened. Is there not a pipe that runs back to the tank for excesse fuel Question
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il give the threads and unions a good clean , and Chris there is a return pipe but get fuel dripping out of the choke plate , You can alter the height of the fuel level in the carb though by lowering the return union in the bottom of the carb .


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Post by JONESEY on Sun Dec 11 2011, 21:01

Thats what you got to do then long time since I played with a lister this was the last one
Before and after
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Post by matt86 on Sun Dec 11 2011, 21:52

That is a Cracking job you have made there mate . Was that engine the one you did for ian ?

reconise it from the dent ....

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Post by JONESEY on Sun Dec 11 2011, 23:14

Thats the one Matt runs like a clock Smile
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Re: Lister A fuel system problems !

Post by Capstan on Mon Dec 12 2011, 17:11

Definitely no problem with PTFE & Petrol.
Can't help with the main problem but carburetor needle valve may be letting by.
Had a similar problem with my Petter A.
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Post by matt86 on Mon Dec 12 2011, 20:50

Well tonight i quickly wiped off the pump pipes and tank .

I cleaned up all the mating surfaces , and threads with wire wool and the wire wheel . hopefully they should not leak when put them back together . Also stripped the pump apart and inspecting all the parts even though i have taken it apart before , well that was a few months ago .... well a mate of mine did it . I found there is no pump packing Shocked

Here are some pictures





Im assuming the pump packing winds around the piston and sits on top of the machined shoulder in the pump body itself , then the spring followed by the piston and the pump cap ....

As well i removed the needle from the carb and there was some much / rust on the tip of the needle so i cleaned that up . Just need to blow through the jet before i assemble it . hopeful all that should cure my problem . I dont think there is any point lowering the level of the return pipe . My theory is that i have never touched it and has not been touched in 40 years and probably not touched from when it was new . All the times i have had it running in the past it has not dribbled out of the carb , so i will jsut put it back together and see . Apparently you are superposed to run the engine half on choke when not on load .

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Re: Lister A fuel system problems !

Post by kevjhnsn on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:03

hi there matt
when i rebuilt my lister A i replace the packing as theere was none left but bits it dripped about 4 egg cups full of fuel a day on the field
i used some***********1/8" -3/16" mine is not a constant diameter lol ********* steam engine gland graphite rope worked well all season no leaks after the first 30 secs of running after standing for a few weeks,
use plenty of good oil while slidding it back in the bore

also remove the fuel start/ run stop screw from top and screw all the way out and check the tip bottom of the needle is complete and not bent
as this couses fuel to drip out through the choker plate
if theres not the problem there
then it could be the inlet valve needs a little more play as people and me have set them back up to the book and find they are worse than before mine spitted small amounts of fuel out the carb and found that the inlet valve was opening just before top dead center and whisping the out out and sucking it back again seconds later

as i learned with mine and others have said later on to me
LISTER As AND Bs ARE A SET BY EAR AND NOT THE BOOK the book will get it going but tweeck later buy sound and you will use less down time and less fuel over the week ends
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Post by matt86 on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:10

Kev you are a star mate ! I think you have cured the problem as after i rebuilt it it did not drip fuel and the valve clearances was alot bigger now i have set it to 10 thou inlet and 12 thou exhaust as i have stripped it down again for another cleaning .... and it makes sense to me .... i think its going to be one of those tricks that not many people will know as on another forum no one has even suggested that idea yet ....

the needle i have removed and cleaned its not visibility bent or miss shaped but where its been stuck in same position for 40 years is a slight dint in the needle just before the shoulder when goes parallel so not on the tip .Dont think that would effect it .

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Post by matt86 on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:11

Oh kev could you measure your inlet clearance mate , would save me alot of time going by a bit at a time . I can go by what yours is set and tweek from there .

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Post by kevjhnsn on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:35

[quote="matt86_wd2"]Oh kev could you measure your inlet clearance mate , would save me alot of time going by a bit at a time . I can go by what yours is set and tweek from there .

Cheers .

Matt[/quote


matt give me ten mis to go back and dig the engine out and measure it up for you and ive put the packing diametre on above now for you
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Post by kevjhnsn on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:54

hi there matt
inlet on mine is 0.25 thou
exhurst is 0.27 thou
we all forget that these engines are near a 100 yrs old as there new to us LOL in the 60s and is classed as a fine and solid internal state by the anson engine muesum men that did a rally field parsal stripe down demo with mine
so the wear and tear has to be allowed for mine was rebuilt buy lister
so it looks like the 2 thou difference is working still lol
hope this works for you like it for me on mine
let me now how she goes after
thanks kev


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Post by matt86 on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:54

[quote="kevjhnsn"]
matt86_wd2 wrote:Oh kev could you measure your inlet clearance mate , would save me alot of time going by a bit at a time . I can go by what yours is set and tweek from there .

Cheers .

Matt[/quote


matt give me ten mis to go back and dig the engine out and measure it up for you and ive put the packing diametre on above now for you
back soon as
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At this hour mate , your a keen enthusiast Very Happy

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Post by matt86 on Mon Dec 12 2011, 22:57

i think that will solve it as is set to 10 thou .... quite alot smaller, so it is opening a bit before it should do with a smaller clearance , it would open and close quicker rather than staying open longer for the fuel to flow through . I will try this as soon as i can once i have some pump packing .

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Post by kevjhnsn on Mon Dec 12 2011, 23:06

hi matt
if you cant find any local to you
PM your address and will send you some up to you
and get you SWINGING AGAIN LOL
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Post by JONESEY on Mon Dec 12 2011, 23:23

Fuel cap and packing will be sent tommorw just put them in a jiffy bag so I will post them 1st class next day so you can sort it Laughing Laughing
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Post by stationary stu on Tue Dec 13 2011, 11:00

Wow you guys did a lot of engine sorting last night hope everything works out well and all is cured and drip free Very Happy

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Post by matt86 on Tue Dec 13 2011, 19:09

stationary stu wrote:Wow you guys did a lot of engine sorting last night hope everything works out well and all is cured and drip free Very Happy

Stu.

Stu you think what Kev suggested it all makes sense a,d the valve is fully open sooner only by split seconds but enough to make a difference as the clearance was alot bigger than what it is now .

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Post by matt86 on Tue Dec 13 2011, 19:10

JONESEY wrote:Fuel cap and packing will be sent tommorw just put them in a jiffy bag so I will post them 1st class next day so you can sort it Laughing Laughing
Jonesey

Thanks Chris
be good to get it sorted and up and running so i can have a 'Christmas chug' lol! lol! lol!

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Post by JONESEY on Tue Dec 13 2011, 20:25

That sounds good you will get the nabours coming round so make sure you have some beers around
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Post by matt86 on Tue Dec 13 2011, 20:28

JONESEY wrote:That sounds good you will get the nabours coming round so make sure you have some beers around
Jonesey

Dont think i will Chris they hate me running my engines it annoys them .... but they can not do fuk all as they have complained to the council but they contacted me to see what it was about and as its a hobby and is not over the DB level they can not do anything . So i could have 30 running at same time if i wanted too .... if i had 30 engines lol *

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Post by JONESEY on Tue Dec 13 2011, 20:44

That can be aranged come and get all mine that will piss them off, I havent got anybody to piss off round by me the only one how,s so say deaf is Roy and he,s round like a shot oil can in hand. lol! lol!
I am thinking about making a gate in the headge at the bottom of the garden so he dont have so far to go lol! lol!
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Post by stationary stu on Wed Dec 14 2011, 10:29

I read what Kev was saying and yes it did all make sense, by the time you consider years and years of wear and not every engine is exactly the same, it's worth remembering once you get an engine running you need to fine tune to that engine not whats wrote in a book.

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