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Post by philly77 on Wed Aug 01 2012, 07:14

Hi,

my Grandfather found a stationary engine in his cellar. I am going to restore the engine. But bevore I start the project I need infos about the engine. Because I could not find any hints like a identification plate or similar on the engine I do not have a clou which typ of engine I have.

It looks like that someone afterwards attached a small 24V Generator to the engine including a 24V bulb. The carburetor is from a small 50ccm motorbike my grandfather told me.

Could anyone of you identify this engine or have some documents from the engine? Maybe it was a construction kit someone bought and built up.


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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by DanBoy on Wed Aug 01 2012, 07:44

At first sight that could well be a Madison or a Butler engine. If so, they were produced in Derby in the early 1900's. It is difficult to tell from the pictures and a few more would be helpful.

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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by philly77 on Wed Aug 01 2012, 18:37

Thanks for the answer,
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Post by PetterM on Wed Aug 01 2012, 20:03

DanBoy wrote:At first sight that could well be a Madison or a Butler engine. If so, they were produced in Derby in the early 1900's. It is difficult to tell from the pictures and a few more would be helpful.

Nope, it isn't. Guess again... Wink

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Post by JONESEY on Thu Aug 02 2012, 06:52

It looks a bit home made to me
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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by DanBoy on Thu Aug 02 2012, 07:47

EIC magneto's were made in Birmingham so that would make it a British open crank engine. C'mon Petter, put us out of our misery.... Smile

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Post by pauldg on Thu Aug 02 2012, 10:11

Now why can't I find something like that in the cellar? I suppose I would need a cellar for a start, but still...

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Post by stationary stu on Thu Aug 02 2012, 10:59

I'd say the same as Jonesey it looks home made, maybe bits from other engines added in, looking at the con rod it looks to be made of aluminium. the big pulley on the end of the flywheel looks to be old sewing machine, yet some parts look a little like a Stuart, some parts even look reasonably modern.
Sorry can't help you any more.

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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by PetterM on Thu Aug 02 2012, 12:13

DanBoy wrote:EIC magneto's were made in Birmingham so that would make it a British open crank engine. C'mon Petter, put us out of our misery.... Smile

You're assuming that magneto is original ;-)

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Post by DanBoy on Thu Aug 02 2012, 16:04

PetterM wrote:
DanBoy wrote:EIC magneto's were made in Birmingham so that would make it a British open crank engine. C'mon Petter, put us out of our misery.... Smile

You're assuming that magneto is original ;-)

You're right. I am assuming. Smile

"I'd say the same as Jonesey it looks home made, maybe bits from other engines added in, looking at the con rod it looks to be made of aluminium. the big pulley on the end of the flywheel looks to be old sewing machine" Stu

I can see the sewing machine connection as the spokes look like those on an old Singer. But so did those on the Butler/Madison engines. Also similar on the National engines ?


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Post by DanBoy on Thu Aug 02 2012, 16:29

Well I've searched and come up with a few more names. Tom Senior, Stuart, Hobbs. But the thing that is putting me off is that glass fuel supply. I can find no reference to anyone who used such a system. Come on Petter (and I have looked up the early Petter's as well) What do you think it is? Question Question

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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by philly77 on Thu Aug 02 2012, 16:43

Hi,

If I'am Not wrong there is a manufacturer printed on the fuel tank. Will ask my dad to take a picture cause I am not at home.

The wheel you are refering to could be a singer typ. Was a very popular brand in Austria.
As said in my initial post it looks like the generator and the wheel was attached afterwards.


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Re: unknowen 4 stroke engine

Post by PetterM on Thu Aug 02 2012, 17:51

DanBoy wrote:Well I've searched and come up with a few more names. Tom Senior, Stuart, Hobbs. But the thing that is putting me off is that glass fuel supply. I can find no reference to anyone who used such a system. Come on Petter (and I have looked up the early Petter's as well) What do you think it is? Question Question

None of those ;-)

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Lable on the fuel tank

Post by philly77 on Tue Aug 07 2012, 20:07

Please find the lable printed on the Fuel tank

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