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Post by blackvanman on Fri Aug 17 2012, 18:56

As most of you know I bought a pillar drill at the auction at Parbeck on Sat AM. Well today I started pulling it apart for painting, then got a bit carried away lol











Been struggling a bit to figure out who the maker is, may have narrowed it down to Bradson or Wolf with a possibility of it being a Union.

Also be tarting up the fuel can I bought as well, wife has a very steady hand and a good artist so she is going to paint the detail on.





By the way who can guess who has a load of mid brunswick green left over Very Happy

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Post by hob on Fri Aug 17 2012, 19:00

its a union

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Post by hob on Fri Aug 17 2012, 19:11

i have one too see here pages 3 to 5



http://www.stationaryengineforum.net/t3372p30-my-first-engine

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Post by blackvanman on Fri Aug 17 2012, 19:21

hob wrote:i have one too see here pages 3 to 5



http://www.stationaryengineforum.net/t3372p30-my-first-engine

looked at that hob, but its quite different ? Smile

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Post by hob on Fri Aug 17 2012, 19:36

blackvanman wrote:

looked at that hob, but its quite different ? Smile

i can see where you are coming from, mine has the words Union and Made in England prominently displayed on it. the table where the vice goes is different, working in a small engineering factory in the 1960's it was not hard to see where copies of these things were made ..............patents were not so vigorously enforced in those days.

i'm guessing yours is a "copy" of a union drill .........................the top casting looks almost identical where the gears go.............if there are no makers names on the castings its almost certainly a "copy"

and yes i am old enough to be working in the 60's Embarassed

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Post by blackvanman on Fri Aug 17 2012, 20:12

hob wrote:
blackvanman wrote:

looked at that hob, but its quite different ? Smile

i can see where you are coming from, mine has the words Union and Made in England prominently displayed on it. the table where the vice goes is different, working in a small engineering factory in the 1960's it was not hard to see where copies of these things were made ..............patents were not so vigorously enforced in those days.

i'm guessing yours is a "copy" of a union drill .........................the top casting looks almost identical where the gears go.............if there are no makers names on the castings its almost certainly a "copy"

and yes i am old enough to be working in the 60's Embarassed

lol, good for a giggle, I do know it is supposed to be Handrollic, but looking around there appears to be a 2 speed version, this realy made I laugh, mine would have had a variable speed, all dependent on how fast you wound the bugger Very Happy
lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Post by hob on Fri Aug 17 2012, 20:30

union made a 2 speed one too ...............restoration of one here

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/pillar-drill-restoration-t45396.html

chicken and mushroom Pot Noodle is not a standard rebuilding requirement Laughing

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Post by blackvanman on Fri Aug 17 2012, 20:58

hob wrote:union made a 2 speed one too ...............restoration of one here

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/pillar-drill-restoration-t45396.html

chicken and mushroom Pot Noodle is not a standard rebuilding requirement Laughing

its all the better with a laugh Very Happy

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Re: Pillar Drill Tart Up :)

Post by blackvanman on Sat Aug 18 2012, 20:38

got bored again this morning lol


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Post by Abes on Sat Aug 18 2012, 22:46

Nice job mate cleaned up a treat, you putting it on a base unit

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Post by blackvanman on Sat Aug 18 2012, 23:03

Abes wrote:Nice job mate cleaned up a treat, you putting it on a base unit

bugger, lol, will have to wait untill I get bored again........................

................. see photo's tomorrow probably Very Happy
Did I say I payed £2 for it? Smile

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Post by stationary stu on Sun Aug 19 2012, 10:29

Looking good, nice job you've done. Have you sorted out about belting it to your engine yet?

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Post by blackvanman on Sun Aug 19 2012, 10:49

stationary stu wrote:Looking good, nice job you've done. Have you sorted out about belting it to your engine yet?

Stu.

I have my eye on a nice pulley Stu, then I'll get a belt sorted, hoping to have it running for wallop in a weeks time Smile

The big question will be where to get a belt long enough, places I normaly use round here mostly only stock vehicle belts at set sizes lol

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Post by blackvanman on Sun Aug 19 2012, 11:01

Just answered that one myself lol

http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/V-Belts-A-profile-12.7x8.html


but on my travels have also found this very usefull tool:
http://www.baumhydraulics.com/calculators/belt_length.htm
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Post by hob on Sun Aug 19 2012, 17:58

blackvanman wrote:
stationary stu wrote:Looking good, nice job you've done. Have you sorted out about belting it to your engine yet?

Stu.

I have my eye on a nice pulley Stu, then I'll get a belt sorted, hoping to have it running for wallop in a weeks time Smile

The big question will be where to get a belt long enough, places I normaly use round here mostly only stock vehicle belts at set sizes lol

have you considered the running speed? remember its designed to run at the speed a man can turn the handle, there are no bearings or bushes in there. my Petter runs at about 800 rpm and i found it difficult to slow it down enough without a lay-shaft to alter the ratio, which is why mine is still just a static display for now Smile
i bought mine a lay-shaft a few weeks back but not had time to play yet, my plan was to run it at about 100 rpm which is a ratio of 8 to 1

there is a speed calculator here

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html

mine had an outing today, just to stand and look pretty Laughing


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Post by blackvanman on Sun Aug 19 2012, 20:03

Yes, I had lol the A1 is currently running at around 650 rpm with a 5" pulley, I intend fitting a 10" pulley to the drill bringing it down to around 325 rpm the gears on the drill bring it up to around 520 which is lower than the slowest speed of my electric pillar drill in the workshop.

This is going to be a suck it and see situation, I know its going to be noisey before I even start lol these drills always were just being wound handrolicly lol. Aware of no bearings, will see what happens but will probably source an induction drive unit for it to slow it right down Smile

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Post by stationary stu on Mon Aug 20 2012, 10:41

There was someone trying to sell a similar drill on Ebay for £180, they kept dropping the price the last was £80 (I think) and still no takers hmmm wonder why Laughing Laughing Laughing

Great site for sorting out gear ratios, thanks for sharing Neville.

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Post by ian webb on Mon Aug 20 2012, 12:29

Drill looks very nice lovely job youve made of it well done, fuel can also, keep up the good work,
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Post by blackvanman on Mon Aug 20 2012, 14:01

ian webb wrote:Drill looks very nice lovely job youve made of it well done, fuel can also, keep up the good work,
Ian

Cheers Ian,
10" pulley on its way, and have ordered a 95" belt which gives me 3' between the engine and drill pulley centers, will see what happens next lol

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Post by blackvanman on Mon Aug 20 2012, 23:33

bugger I got bored again (not bored enough to make a stand though Sad )


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Post by stationary stu on Tue Aug 21 2012, 10:11

Shame you didn't live closer I've plenty of things you could do if you were bored Laughing Laughing Laughing

Your going to have quite a large display unless someone hides the paint brush Laughing Laughing Laughing

Nice work Very Happy

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Post by blackvanman on Tue Aug 21 2012, 10:23

stationary stu wrote:Shame you didn't live closer I've plenty of things you could do if you were bored Laughing Laughing Laughing

Your going to have quite a large display unless someone hides the paint brush Laughing Laughing Laughing

Nice work Very Happy

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yes it is getting that way, I do have something else up my sleeve as well, something quite special with any luck (actualy 2 things lol) but will be for next year Wink

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Post by stationary stu on Tue Aug 21 2012, 10:38

blackvanman wrote: lol yes it is getting that way, I do have something else up my sleeve as well, something quite special with any luck (actualy 2 things lol) but will be for next year Wink

I have a couple of things up my sleeve there called arms lol! lol! lol!

Now you've got me interested but I bet your not going to say Crying or Very sad

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Post by blackvanman on Tue Aug 21 2012, 15:16

stationary stu wrote:
blackvanman wrote: lol yes it is getting that way, I do have something else up my sleeve as well, something quite special with any luck (actualy 2 things lol) but will be for next year Wink

I have a couple of things up my sleeve there called arms lol! lol! lol!

Now you've got me interested but I bet your not going to say Crying or Very sad

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nope lol Smile

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Post by stationary stu on Wed Aug 22 2012, 09:49

You can go off people very quickly Twisted Evil Laughing Laughing

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