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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Sat Dec 01 2012, 22:52

I always thought all these had a WICO A-type mag on them. Don't think I've ever seen one with a Lucas (I also never knew Lucas did an impulse start on the SR1)

Just goes to show what I know then, doesn't it. Maybe I'll just stick to Tarpens in future. Embarassed

I honestly think, if the mag has a decent spark (I know that's wishing a lot from an SR1) then you could start a Wolseley without the impulse.

I could be wrong on that as well though. Laughing

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Sat Dec 01 2012, 23:35

mag has a great spark, even on slow rotation, yes Wolseley used sr1 from 1950 something onwards, I am wondering if a wico A type would go straight on, I am thinking it probably would............. Very Happy

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Sun Dec 02 2012, 21:48

Have now decided to go backwards on this, going to hit it from the ground up, reason being, I want it running for today, as above for various reasons that didn't happen. So now I have the whole winter to work on her, so as she was seized in the bore I have started to strip out the piston to check rings, and give the bore a full hone, also the sump has some lovely sludge I would like to remove. So all in all now the rush has gone, thing will be a bit slower for now Smile

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Sun Dec 02 2012, 22:53

Probably for the best. These things don't always go to plan.

Best of luck & keep us fully informed won't you?

Plenty of pics??? Smile

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Mon Dec 03 2012, 12:18

Sorry to hear you didn't manage to get her running Andy, I like to have them running before I do the restoration work but maybe with it being seized up it could be wise to check the piston/rings and bore to see if there's any marks or stuck rings.

Keep us up to date on how your getting on and good luck.

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Mon Dec 03 2012, 21:45

stationary stu wrote:Sorry to hear you didn't manage to get her running Andy, I like to have them running before I do the restoration work but maybe with it being seized up it could be wise to check the piston/rings and bore to see if there's any marks or stuck rings.

Keep us up to date on how your getting on and good luck.

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lol, grinding halt, my socket is too thick walled to get on the furthest conrod nut (the splasher is very close to the nut) Sad have a plan though, involves a cheap socket and a bench grinder Very Happy just need to buy a cheap socket....

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Tue Dec 04 2012, 13:23

Andy sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the good of engines. Very Happy I can't remember what I used now to strip mine but I had no prolems, maybe my sockets are thin walled.

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Post by blackvanman on Tue Dec 04 2012, 16:41

stationary stu wrote:Andy sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the good of engines. Very Happy I can't remember what I used now to strip mine but I had no prolems, maybe my sockets are thin walled.

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Good news: got the bugger Very Happy
Bad news: No1 compression ring is fubar......



it was practically welded in, I got a very small flat blade to tease her out, there was a very, very dull sounding "dink" under very little pressure and a 1" piece of ring came away, the rest of it came out in about 5 bits with some persuasion. Not great, but something told me to pull that piston out and now I know why, gland I found it now Smile

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:05

That could have made a nasty mess of the bore, piston and head if you'd managed to get it running before stripping her, there's always a reason we do things and you just found out why.
You should be able to get a set of rings from Cox's I think there called, Mike will have there details as he's had WD rings of them in the past and the price is not bad about the £25 mark the last I heard a few years ago.

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:10

stationary stu wrote:That could have made a nasty mess of the bore, piston and head if you'd managed to get it running before stripping her, there's always a reason we do things and you just found out why.
You should be able to get a set of rings from Cox's I think there called, Mike will have there details as he's had WD rings of them in the past and the price is not bad about the £25 mark the last I heard a few years ago.

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have a set on order from stationary engine parts, should be here tomorrow Smile


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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:20

Nice one, is everything else ok at the bottom end?

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Post by blackvanman on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:23

stationary stu wrote:Nice one, is everything else ok at the bottom end?

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bang on, about 15 thou side drift and zero up/down, next to no wear on the crank, shells are immaculate, little end/gudgen pin the same, and the bore has no wear, showing 25 thou short of 3" Smile

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Post by stationary stu on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:44

All sounds good, looking forward to hearing how the rebuild goes and maybe a video of when it's finished.

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Post by blackvanman on Wed Dec 05 2012, 12:58

stationary stu wrote:All sounds good, looking forward to hearing how the rebuild goes and maybe a video of when it's finished.

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Post by stationary stu on Thu Dec 06 2012, 12:04

Great stuff keep up the good work. Very Happy

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 06 2012, 12:19

made a discovery last light, she is left hand rotation, now my thoughts were always that it was classed by the flywheel direction, however it seems I am wrong and Wolseley base it on the cranking end, which thinking about it is no different to a car/boat engine, ah balls now my head is fried LOL

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by Foden on Thu Dec 06 2012, 12:48

That's correct, a reverse rotation Wolseley is the same as a standard rotation Lister D and vice versa! Fun aint it? Smile

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Post by stationary stu on Thu Dec 06 2012, 12:55

Trust Pete to make it sound even more complicated Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 06 2012, 13:37

Foden wrote:That's correct, a reverse rotation Wolseley is the same as a standard rotation Lister D and vice versa! Fun aint it? Smile

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Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 06 2012, 13:56

may have a go at getting the flywheel of this afternoon, pics to follow if it happens Smile

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by matt86 on Thu Dec 06 2012, 15:50

Andy there is a trick with piston rings to get them off if there siezed in the gap , long soak in derv , heat rings up and with a punch just tap the ring gently all the way around ... If you feel the need to prize it dont , as it will go ping . Happened a few times to me before my Fowler piston had all rings stuck good and proper but in end got all freed and removed rings with my piton ring pliers . cleaned up grooves and oil up and replace .

not trying to tell a granny how to suck eggs just a bit of a trick mate .

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Post by nutgone on Thu Dec 06 2012, 16:56

matt86 wrote:Andy there is a trick with piston rings to get them off if there siezed in the gap , long soak in derv , heat rings up and with a punch just tap the ring gently all the way around ... If you feel the need to prize it dont , as it will go ping . Happened a few times to me before my Fowler piston had all rings stuck good and proper but in end got all freed and removed rings with my piton ring pliers . cleaned up grooves and oil up and replace .

not trying to tell a granny how to suck eggs just a bit of a trick mate .

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I've heard meths is good as well. (& not bad at getting piston rings out either drunken )

I didn't know about tapping them with a punch though. I've always got them out with a quick spray of GT85, but admittedly they weren't too bad. the last real bad ones I had came out in pieces, one was broken anyway, the other was pretty far gone, so no great loss.

I think with all these things it's about patience, but I think there are those times when you'll never get the ring out without breaking it.

Anyone tried meths? I saw it in an old Stuart Turner manual. Bit expensive for soaking pistons though. I've got some French meths, but it bloody stinks! & it's not purple, like the Brit stuff.

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Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 06 2012, 17:04

matt86 wrote:Andy there is a trick with piston rings to get them off if there siezed in the gap , long soak in derv , heat rings up and with a punch just tap the ring gently all the way around ... If you feel the need to prize it dont , as it will go ping . Happened a few times to me before my Fowler piston had all rings stuck good and proper but in end got all freed and removed rings with my piton ring pliers . cleaned up grooves and oil up and replace .

not trying to tell a granny how to suck eggs just a bit of a trick mate .

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noted and been there matt, but the ring went with such a quiet gentle noise I am 100% certain it was weak and a gonna regardless Smile

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Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 06 2012, 17:12

Right, as it goes I never got started on the flywheel, decided to remove the water jacket plate, ooopps! Snapped a stud Very Happy

clearing the crap



Plenty of heat on the casting (and yes the rag was fire retardant Wink )



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Post by stationary stu on Fri Dec 07 2012, 11:35

Looks as if it had a fair bit cr4p in it Andy and nice job of removing the stud. So are you just going to continue stripping it or just do anything that's necessary, I know it took ages to clean all the gunk out of the sump on my WD so maybe that should be your next job Wink

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