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Post by stationary stu on Mon May 13 2013, 12:29

Is the dynamo not from a train or is it a train coach you mean. Great work on the engine fingers crossed for you that she runs well and that you can figure out how to start her.

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Post by rubythursday on Mon May 13 2013, 14:35

Yes Stu a BR Mk1 railway coach, they were driven from the axle and are unusual in that they can be driven in either direction.

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Post by stationary stu on Tue May 14 2013, 12:02

That dynamo will sure put a load on an engine once it's all sorted.

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Post by rubythursday on Mon Jun 17 2013, 20:52

Oh no! The back of the Disco has a Wolseley WD2 in it now!! Photo's when it's light enough to take some.

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Post by nutgone on Mon Jun 17 2013, 21:01

Funny how these engines just appear in the backs of cars. I've got a strange thing something similar is going to happen to me tomorrow. :chin:

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Post by Matth92 on Tue Jun 18 2013, 18:41

That shafty d is very nice!

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Post by rubythursday on Fri Jun 21 2013, 19:23

Maiden run of the Hornsby will be at Sledmere House Rally where hopefully I will have enough volunteer muscle power!

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Post by stationary stu on Fri Jun 28 2013, 12:46

Tony you never seem to take a break, well done on keeping busy but don't over do it mate.Very Happy 

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Post by rubythursday on Mon Jul 01 2013, 18:20

I broke it before I got it running, the exhaust rocker fell in two.

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Post by nutgone on Mon Jul 01 2013, 20:31

Hmm, that looks tricky. Could be possible to weld, but as I have found recently cast iron welding is a bit of a lottery, some types will weld, some won't & the heat distortion is quite considerable.

Could braze it? Can honestly say, if it were mine, I would have some serious contemplating to do. I would want to weld it, but would be unsure weather to or weather to try brazing instead.

Do you reckon you could find a replacement? Or machine something up? Maybe get one cast? There's a very good foundry down near me, their work comes very well recommended.

Either way it's a bloody big shame. Sad 

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Post by rubythursday on Mon Jul 01 2013, 21:22

I shall weld it tomorrow when I'm in work, it will be ok with nickel rods and the casting pre-heated. I will probably have another one cast as well. There is a foundry in Cleckheaton that I use.

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Post by nutgone on Mon Jul 01 2013, 21:52

Best of luck with it. I expect it's pretty good quality iron. I've done a little cast welding, I found Stuart Turner castings completely impossible, just wouldn't weld at all, but then they didn't use very good quality iron, I know others have had trouble with some very porous castings on Stuart engines..

The little bit I did for my Bamford went really well though. & my practise welds on an old cast iron fan belt pulley (off a Tarpen) went very well too. I didn't do too much practise as the rods are so damned expensive! Shocked But would like to do a bit more as I will probably need to do some again one day.

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Post by janner on Tue Jul 02 2013, 05:56

Looking at it , these horizontal rocker arms do seem to have a weakness, would it not be possible to make a copy from mild steel bar and machine a central bush and weld the flat bar either side once fabricated to size, surely would be a permanent fix over cast iron !!

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Post by Stamford24 on Tue Jul 02 2013, 06:32

My advice would be to glue it together and get a replacement cast first as getting it all straight when welding can be a nightmare. Know someone local that's done the same thing with a striker arm. Got it welded wrong shape, then took a casting, still wrong! Fortunately had another done in gunmetal and a friend was able to bend it slightly to get it the right shape.

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Post by rubythursday on Tue Jul 02 2013, 19:11

I am in the middle of fabricating one out of mild steel bar for the time being, as I am booked into a couple of rallies over the next month and I still have to run the engine for the first time.

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Post by rubythursday on Fri Jul 05 2013, 17:57

Rocker welded - now to get it back together and running in time for the Ryedale Folk Museum Tractor and engine day on 14 July.



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Post by nutgone on Mon Jul 08 2013, 20:50

Looks good. Did it stay relatively in shape? I'm guessing a lot of that depends on how hot the pre-heat was.

I'm quite anxious to hear all about cast iron welding success stories. It's a subject I've been researching quite a bit recently.

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Post by rubythursday on Tue Jul 09 2013, 05:46

no distortion at all, just passed a reamer through the boss and it was fine, he got good penetration as it could be seen through the hole. Guess time will tell. anyway its back on and I'm ready for another attempt at starting it. I have a video of the aborted attempt which I'll post shortly.

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Post by rubythursday on Wed Jul 17 2013, 05:44

Ryedale Folk Museum also turned out to be no go. After a few attempts to start it lost compression. Turned out to be a lump of carbon under the inlet valve. Cleaned that and got compression back but still no go.

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Post by rubythursday on Fri Jul 26 2013, 18:20

Broke the Hornsby again! No compression, stripped it down and haven't found the cause yet. Getting a bit fed up off it now.






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Post by nutgone on Sat Aug 03 2013, 12:06

Keep at it Tony, it'll come good in the end.

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Post by Villiers on Sat Aug 03 2013, 12:39

Those piston rings don't look "right" to me, they look as if they are stuck in the groves.

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Post by rubythursday on Sat Aug 03 2013, 15:49

Piston rings are fine, they are just hanging down due to their own weight. They gap up fine in the bore, they are pegged as well to stop rotation.

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Post by Villiers on Sat Aug 03 2013, 16:05

That's good! Must have been the shadow on the photo as I couldn't make out the bottom of the piston very well so I made the assumption that the piston was resting on something along its entire length thereby in my mind the rings should have been sitting proud of the piston on the top.

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Post by rubythursday on Sat Aug 03 2013, 16:54

Fairly certain its the inlet valve housing not seating in the block. Bit difficult to tell as I cant turn it over and see/listen at the same time. Have to wait for someone to turn up and turn it over for me.


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