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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by blackvanman on Mon Feb 04 2013, 22:39

Andrew1971 wrote:Hi Blackvanman
Just had another look the plate appears to be brass it's got that old brass look.
were the number is stamped on there is not enough room for a 1 to fit.
543560 is what's stamped on the plate. Just wondering how are the magneto's fitted on 1962 engine mine does not have the spacer plate between magneto + engine.


My engine above. This pic was taken on me phone so not that clever.
Many thanks for having a look Blackvanman.
Many Many Thanks
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ok will have another dig Smile

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by nutgone on Mon Feb 04 2013, 23:27

Foden wrote: I had to fit new piston rings as they were stuck up with it having stood outside with no spark plug.

Now that, in my book, is a crime which should be punishable by firing squad. No one who loves (or even likes) their engines should ever dream of doing such a thing. (although I've seen it done with everything from Mk10 Villiers engines, rotting in fields, to freshly rebuilt motorbike engines from so called professionals! Shocked ).

Foden wrote:the throttle linkage was upside down so the butterfly was closed instead of open
Pete.

That happened to me once with a Petter A1. When I fired it up (without realising) the damn thing raced off down the garden! The governor was trying to close the throttle, but was instead opening it.
I think I pulled the plug lead in the end, or it probably would've gone into self destruct.

Seems it's an easy thing to do on these then (I didn't do it, like yours mine was done by a previous owner).

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Tue Feb 05 2013, 12:35

When i leave an engine i try to get the piston on compression stroke take out plug squirt some oil put plug back in
so nothing can into the cylinder + both valve's are closed.

Update
What are the big end bearings made from ??
It looks like the shell's are a fraction to big so if i take a little bit off each shell then it should be good no more play.
Well that's what i hope Laughing
Now this is where i get told off from some one lol!
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Post by nutgone on Tue Feb 05 2013, 15:09

If they are Babbit (American term I believe) type white metal shells then they generally go through a process called "Scraping", where they are re-shaped. The trouble is, if you just take a bit off they will no longer be round when the big end goes back together. The "scraping" process removes material in the correct way, then the space between the con rod & the big end bearing shell case is re-shimmed to suit.

Something like that anyway.

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Tue Feb 05 2013, 15:40

Hi Nutgone Thank's for the reply.
I do see what you mean when getting scraped + shimmed. I have the conrod + bearing's out going to try a few thing's and let's see what happen's that's all i can do at the moment.
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Found out where the wear is it's on the crank. Conrod + bearing's are fine.
One little adjustment should have it sorted Smile
Once that's done next is carb clean Smile

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Wed Feb 06 2013, 18:14

Hi All
This Petter A has just been relisted

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petter-Type-A-Stationary-Engine-MADE-IN-ENGLAND-/121063148610?pt=UK_BOI_FarmingEquipment_RL&hash=item1c2fed0c42

Does not look to bad look's like they might have tried to start it.
If me girlfriend's dad is about at the time see if he want's a ride out.
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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by stationary stu on Thu Feb 07 2013, 12:23

Andrew, I've been watching that, it was up for sale last week and it didn't get any bids at £30, and there's a few guys in that area always on the look out for something to break for spares so they might have looked at it and decided against it being any good. If my van hadn't just given up the ghost I maybe could of helped some way to help with the pick it up. If there's no bids on it this time I might offer him £20 scrap for it. Wink Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post by Andrew1971 on Thu Feb 07 2013, 12:40

Hi Stu
I am tempted with it as well have to see if my girlfriend's dad is still about by then. See if he want's a ride out Very Happy
Does this mean there might a fight on who get's it lol!
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Post by stationary stu on Thu Feb 07 2013, 13:07

Andrew if you want it bid away and I won't bid, I do have one or two Petter A1's so it's not something I want or need but I wouldn't like to see it going for scrap, then I'd see about buying it.

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by stationary stu on Thu Feb 07 2013, 14:11

Andrew have you seen this engine, it miht be a bit nearer for you.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petter-Stationary-Engine-A1-/300858324590?pt=UK_BOI_FarmingEquipment_RL&hash=item460c8db66e

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Thu Feb 07 2013, 17:58

Why the hell didnt that come up when i typed in Petter A1 cheers
It's about 40ish mile round trip cheer's for that one Stu your a Star keeping an eye on that one Very Happy
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Post by jay on Thu Feb 07 2013, 18:59

stationary stu wrote:Andrew have you seen this engine, it miht be a bit nearer for you.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petter-Stationary-Engine-A1-/300858324590?pt=UK_BOI_FarmingEquipment_RL&hash=item460c8db66e

Stu.
extended crank verson as well..the other listing is a petter A and that exhaust is worth the starting price if its not cracked..

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by stationary stu on Fri Feb 08 2013, 11:57

Andrew ebay can be sneaky on what you type in, I've tried it a few different ways and I find the way I do it now is the best. (I'm not just checking for Petters) I do all SE. I always have a SE in my watching, I click to open it then at the top of the displayed screen I click on stationary engines and I find that gets the most pages to open up.

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Post by jay on Fri Feb 08 2013, 13:39

I got another way to find a few engines as well..but thats where the bargains are.. Wink

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Fri Feb 08 2013, 15:28

Cheer's for the tip Stu. Go one Jay you now you want to tell me lol! lol!
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Post by nutgone on Fri Feb 08 2013, 19:27

Yeah, go on Jay. Whisper it to me & I'll tell you if it's the same thing I do. Wink

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Post by stationary stu on Sat Feb 09 2013, 12:05

Try checking out speeling mistakes Laughing Laughing Laughing I somethimes check out the spares or repair section as the odd one gets into there.
Never many on Gumtree or Pre-Loved.

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Post by nutgone on Sat Feb 09 2013, 12:44

You can also try searching for particular engine makes or types, as they can end up in funny places.

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Sat Feb 09 2013, 16:38

Hi All
Seen beverley's dad today and he said me and him go pick up the Petter A1 that's in ripon if i win it finger's crossed
tomorrow after noon. Might get another a1 Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Post by stationary stu on Sun Feb 10 2013, 11:59

Good luck with the bidding Andrew and I hope you win, but don't go to high as these engines don't comand a high price.

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Post by Andrew1971 on Sun Feb 10 2013, 12:46

Cheer's Stu the cheaper the petter the better Very Happy
I will let you all know on what happen's
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Post by stationary stu on Sun Feb 10 2013, 12:50

Ok Andrew bid away, did you ask your Father-in-law about picking up the one at Crook if you don't win the Ripon engine or your going to surprise him by not going to Ripon. Just tell him to turn right when you get to the A1 Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: Yet another Petter A1 !!

Post by Andrew1971 on Sun Feb 10 2013, 13:05

Stu just getting the one in ripon being closer crook a bit to far. A least the one in ripon it's the same model an A1
as mine. I would be nice to get both but finance bit tight at the moment Embarassed
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Update
I won the Petter near ripon i was the only bidder got for £40 and it's now in my shed. Very Happy Very Happy
Now got to see she need's to be done to get her running again finger's crossed not alot.

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Post by Andrew1971 on Sun Feb 10 2013, 19:55

Hi All
Another Update Smile
I have checked to condition of this Petter A1 it is alot better no big end play that i can see + the bore has a very small step though might be carbon. The piston has a wobble but not as much as the other Very Happy
So i will changing a few bit's over for now to get it running.
I am a little puzzled by this on the serial no start's with 52 even older then the first one Shocked
Then the magneto has the spacer plate as well. The carb is a zenith one my first zenith on a petter a1 Laughing
Part's i am changing to get it running are carb+manifold+exhaust and the side plate so i crank to start it.
And it's got no decompressor lever !!
The cowling need's some attention rubbing on top of flywheel.
At the moment it's getting the oily rag treatment.
Sorry no pic's yet.
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Post by stationary stu on Mon Feb 11 2013, 12:02

Andrew great news you won the engine and made quick work of picking it up. Looking forward to seeing some pics.

There's not many petrol engines with decompressors fitted these are mainly fitted to diesels where the compression is a lot higher.

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