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Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by james154 on Thu Feb 14 2013, 13:14

Iv bought a petters PAZ 1 diesel and it wont start its been bleed (i think iv dont it right)
it smokes but wont kick it to life can anyone help

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by stationary stu on Thu Feb 14 2013, 13:33

James I think I'd be tempted to give it a squirt of Easy Start just to get it going, or see if it will start and if not then you could do some checks to timing etc.

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by james154 on Thu Feb 14 2013, 13:57

Thanks il try that (first stationary engine)

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by james154 on Thu Feb 14 2013, 17:54

It runs now

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by Ianhw77k on Thu Feb 14 2013, 18:38

What did you do to get it running?
Easy start can be useful for getting it going first time but the more you use it the more your engine will rely on it and after a while you will have a buggered engine.
I know some people don't believe me but I've seen it happen first hand. OK to get you out of trouble but a big NO NO for regular use Wink

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by james154 on Thu Feb 14 2013, 18:46

I did use easy start once ran it for half an hour now its starts ok with no easy start i dont like useing it

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by Ianhw77k on Thu Feb 14 2013, 22:03

Has it got a primer like the other petter and lister diesels? A good squirt of oil in the air intake is a better way of doing it. I don't know much about that particular model.

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Post by Foden on Thu Feb 14 2013, 23:13

Ianhw77k wrote:Has it got a primer like the other petter and lister diesels? A good squirt of oil in the air intake is a better way of doing it. I don't know much about that particular model.

No Ian, they haven't. They normally start easily even in cold weather as the pump rack automatically goes to a cold start position before starting and then returns to normal when running, could just have been a gremlin in the works! Laughing

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by Ianhw77k on Thu Feb 14 2013, 23:43

I assume they're direct injection. my Petter AA1 was indirect and that needed a squirt in the primer every cold start, two squirts in the winter.
I'm missing my diesel, might have to get another.

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Post by Foden on Thu Feb 14 2013, 23:59

Yes Ian, I wish that I hadn't sold my early (1954) PAZ1 last year! It got a few adverse comments on the rallyfield due to the noise as it was often the only diesel there, one woman even complained that she couldn't hear the tennis on her tv in the caravan but I just told her to either turn the sound up or use the subtitles haha. I may get another one day, my first engine was an LD1 which I partly restored but sold it on without finishing it and I regretted that as well!!! Crying or Very sad Will have to make some room in the garage first though. Laughing

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by stationary stu on Fri Feb 15 2013, 12:46

Great to hear you've managed to get her running. A little squirt of Easy Start just helps that first initial time and yes Ian is correcting saying an engine can get addicted but it does take a lot of use over a lot of months to get it to that state.

So what are you doing with the engine now James?

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by james154 on Fri Feb 15 2013, 19:04

Thank you all for the advice iv put the engine on a trolley and im going to take it to some rallys

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by Rustybullethole on Sat Feb 16 2013, 10:23

Foden wrote:
Ianhw77k wrote:Has it got a primer like the other petter and lister diesels? A good squirt of oil in the air intake is a better way of doing it. I don't know much about that particular model.

No Ian, they haven't. They normally start easily even in cold weather as the pump rack automatically goes to a cold start position before starting and then returns to normal when running, could just have been a gremlin in the works! Laughing

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What do you mean when you say the rack automatically goes to a cold start position? Is it a case of the injector pumping more fuel in? If so what should the spray pattern look like in this position? On my Paz1 on testing the injector I get some fuel that is atomised accompanyied with a jet of fuel???

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Re: Petter PAZ 1 wont start

Post by stationary stu on Sat Feb 16 2013, 12:37

I think it will just increase the amount of fuel that it delivers not make any difference to the injector spray pattern.

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