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Post by steve w on Sat Mar 16 2013, 19:46

went on a road trip today and picked my new toy up - we got it to fire but i never saw it run fully - i think its due a complete strip down. the chap had a fair few open cranks for sale but i liked this one as it is compact and seems in good shape, i cant find any numbers on it so unsure of the date - i am told its a 1-3/4hp chore boy - it has an imp mag and the tank is under the engine running on petrol only,

does anyone know what the CTV means that is in the casting on the hopper.

funny how alot of these engines are now into the second re-build this one was showed for about 10 yrs before been put away - its been a few yrs since it was last run.

looks like i will be bugging you guys for a long time to come Smile






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Post by Andrew1971 on Sat Mar 16 2013, 20:02

She look's in good order you will soon have her sorted :thumbup:
What's your plan with her ?? Got to ask how much did pay her.
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Post by davelister on Sat Mar 16 2013, 21:05

very nice buddy,very nice indeed.

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Post by seniorengineers on Sun Mar 17 2013, 08:27

steve w wrote:went on a road trip today and picked my new toy up - we got it to fire but i never saw it run fully - i think its due a complete strip down. the chap had a fair few open cranks for sale but i liked this one as it is compact and seems in good shape, i cant find any numbers on it so unsure of the date - i am told its a 1-3/4hp chore boy - it has an imp mag and the tank is under the engine running on petrol only,

does anyone know what the CTV means that is in the casting on the hopper.

funny how alot of these engines are now into the second re-build this one was showed for about 10 yrs before been put away - its been a few yrs since it was last run.

looks like i will be bugging you guys for a long time to come Smile






CTV, tried hard on this one, but can only come up with"Contents Temporarilly Vapourise" cheers david.

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Re: Amanco 1-3/4hp chore boy

Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 09:37



Thankyou for the replies.

Got it running this morning - the slight knocking you can here at times only seems to be when i move the camera so think its just the sound recording. , - problem is i had to hold the base of the carb in to keep it running? when i got it it had some tape covering the inlet holes around the carb so think this was done to increase suction through its base?

any advice on running settings would be appreciated, Steve.

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Post by Biggusdannus on Sun Mar 17 2013, 10:26

If you are lucky the engine number will be stamped on the end of the crankshaft mag side. Dating can be found HEREhttp://www.webring.org/hub?ring=oldiron;id=32;ac=Qv%40%A4%8B%D0%3F%01cK%90%F0%92%7DO%15%F7%97%FC%D6T%2F%02%EB%CD%ACi%052%18%F0%EC%DBg%00%2C%F4;go

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Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 10:44

Biggusdannus wrote:If you are lucky the engine number will be stamped on the end of the crankshaft mag side. Dating can be found HEREhttp://www.webring.org/hub?ring=oldiron;id=32;ac=Qv%40%A4%8B%D0%3F%01cK%90%F0%92%7DO%15%F7%97%FC%D6T%2F%02%EB%CD%ACi%052%18%F0%EC%DBg%00%2C%F4;go

thanks bigus - it is - i had just thought that was a part number, - its - 842304, thats a good site - it was also sent to me by email by another good member on here :thumbup:

looking at the site it might be - 342304 as that would be more fitting but it does look like an 8.

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Post by Biggusdannus on Sun Mar 17 2013, 11:01

I'd say it's definitely a late 20's engine due to the tank being in the base. The base of the carb has a nut/stud poking out. I seem to recall you can adjust that to change the fuel/air mix. I could be wrong though as it's been 8 years since I last owned an Amanco.
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Ps I just noticed theres what looks like a normal valve fitted on the petrol pipe from the tank. I don't know if these later engines are different to the earlier ones but I think there should be a non return valve there. That may explain why it needs so much choke to run, it's blowing fuel back on the miss strokes. Just a thought.

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Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 11:09

Biggusdannus wrote:I'd say it's definitely a late 20's engine due to the tank being in the base. The base of the carb has a nut/stud poking out. I seem to recall you can adjust that to change the fuel/air mix. I could be wrong though as it's been 8 years since I last owned an Amanco.
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it is a 3 on the number so late 1926, on the base of the carb is a plunger with spring, i guess it is a form of choke, the engine stops if i let go of it.

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Post by stationary stu on Sun Mar 17 2013, 12:29

Nice engine Steve, it runs like a clock well when it's running only thing I'd be concerned about is it's a little smokey so maybe a sticking ring, so a strip down and clean looks to be on the cards.

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Re: Amanco 1-3/4hp chore boy

Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 16:24

Ps I just noticed theres what looks like a normal valve fitted on the petrol pipe from the tank. I don't know if these later engines are different to the earlier ones but I think there should be a non return valve there. That may explain why it needs so much choke to run, it's blowing fuel back on the miss strokes. Just a thought.

Thats a thought - - i had thought it would have the non return valve in the tank so i will have to check,

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Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 16:39

Stu you might be right by the look of the carbon, i stripped it down today and cleaned as much as i could - the ignitor gasket broke up when i took it off so cut one out of the wifes cerial box - put it all together and it fired first time and blew the gasket apart Very Happy not only do i now not have a gasket but the wife will find a circle out the cerial box in the morning. Smile

i will pop out tomorrow to get a sheet to cut a new one out.

the big end looks ok and it has plenty of shims so i could tighten it up if i feel i need to,

- i found a brass nut in the carbon in the cylinder Question must of been lost off an earlier igniter as the one on has no parts missing.

i will replace the gasket and see if i can get it running well then strip right down for a full build, the trolly seems to be cleaning up nice so i think i will just give it a good wipe and leave it on it.




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Post by Andrew1971 on Sun Mar 17 2013, 18:40

There's no stopping you is there Steve w go for it. I would like to see her run :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Amanco 1-3/4hp chore boy

Post by nutgone on Sun Mar 17 2013, 19:35

Looking at that piston & combustion chamber I can now see what effects people are causing with these engines by running them with no load all the time, can't be good for them. The coke build up seems very excessive for 10 years rally service. Probably wouldn't expect that after 10 years of hard labour on the farm!

I think she would like a bit of load, nothing serious, but all these engines need some work to do.

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Post by nutgone on Sun Mar 17 2013, 19:38

I think your ignitor gasket needs to be made of something stronger than paper. I've got a feeling these were made from mica, but I could be wrong. It could be the reason it blew out though, so I'm not sure gasket paper would be any better than cereal box.

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Post by steve w on Sun Mar 17 2013, 21:25

nutgone wrote:Looking at that piston & combustion chamber I can now see what effects people are causing with these engines by running them with no load all the time, can't be good for them. The coke build up seems very excessive for 10 years rally service. Probably wouldn't expect that after 10 years of hard labour on the farm!

I think she would like a bit of load, nothing serious, but all these engines need some work to do.

i think you are spot on - i much prefer to see an engine under a bit of load, - the gasket must have to be somthing strong - i couldnt believe the power the cerial box shot out the side, we forget how much power the ignition has. - i might search the net to see if a local company stocks gasket sheet.

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Post by nutgone on Sun Mar 17 2013, 23:24

Make sure it's not mica though. It might have to be electrically non-conductive if it's part of the ignitor.

I really couldn't tell you for sure though, as I'm not really up on open crankers, they're not really my thing, but engineering is engineering, & I still love all engines.

I think these old hit & miss engines sound different when under load, they don't tend to miss as much, as they're not really supposed to all the time. I think this is why a lot of people don't load them up. But it's surprising how little work you need to give an engine to help it run better, even something as simple as an old car dynamo can help. I've even seen someone locally who runs what looks like an old governor from a steam engine (thing with spinning balls) off his engine. It doesn't actually do anything apart from spin round quite slowly & he doesn't even know what it is, but it looks good & gives the engine something to do. I will get a picture of it next time I see it, I thought it was very strange, but I could see his point in running it.

Anyway, she looks really good, & I'll follow with interest. Who knows, I will probably learn something. Very Happy

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Post by steve w on Mon Mar 18 2013, 07:59

i have learnt alot off reading your posts nuts, good thinking about the gasket - but the bolts that hold it on will earth it so maybe a mica one will be ok, think i might get a good stock of gasket sheet - always handy, it will be a week or so before i can have another play as i have alot on this week, -

the person who had it before must of painted it it all in one go and not used many washers either - i am not a big fan of painted nuts they look a right mess if you have to remove one after,

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Post by JONESEY on Mon Mar 18 2013, 10:24

Steve, you need to put an exhaust type gasket or very high temp gasket on the igniter .
Anything else will just blow out
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Post by steve w on Mon Mar 18 2013, 10:27

JONESEY wrote:Steve, you need to put an exhaust type gasget or very high temp gasget on the igniter .
Anything else will just blow out
Jonesey

Cheers Chris - and thankyou for all your help behind the scenes, it has been much appreciated. hope you are well, Steve. :thumbup:

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Post by stationary stu on Mon Mar 18 2013, 12:37

Steve it looks as if the engine is in need of a de-coke, have you checked the valves yet as I think they'll need work also judging by the piston.
I know nothing about ignitor gaskets but maybe try making one out of copper see if that's any better. Have a word with Kev see what he's just used on his, he should be able to help.

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Post by steve w on Mon Mar 18 2013, 12:43

just been to see a friend that supplus the oil industry with o rings he gave me some Klingersil so will try this, also picked up a good bag of washers and fibre washers for a couple of £ from my fasteners supplier,

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Post by billypurves on Mon Mar 18 2013, 13:18

Hi Steve, Nice engine...great little runners when set up correctly.

Klingersil should work for your ignitor gasket . I use exhaust gasket material to make mine and have also used thin lead sheet or copper sheet in the past.

The engine is over fuelling....obviously....I would look to the head and regrind in both valves and put more tension on the inlet valve spring. This is a common little fault on engines with atmospheric valves .The valve has not enough tension on it and lets in too much fuel to the cylinder.

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Post by steve w on Mon Mar 18 2013, 15:19

Thanks for the advice Billy, the valves seemed quite well seated, would you just bed them in with a bit of paste?

i think you might be right again about the inlet spring as this is what was wrong with my F & J - the inlet does soom to do a bit more than just vibrate, i am sure i shouldnt have to restrict the carb holes to reduce airflow.

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Post by billypurves on Mon Mar 18 2013, 15:50

Steve, If they seem to be seating well give them a good grind in using paste. I have never needed to restrict the air holes but I have had them in the past with the holes filled with braze, but not done by me.

You can use Klingersil to make your headgasket. A little bit scarcer the Choreboy and easier to throw about, nice little units can be made up with them as they are that bit shorter especially with the in base fuel tank.

Very frugal runners . Mine will run all weekend on a gallon of petrol......(thats why Scotsman like them.)

The majority of Hired Man parts can be used on the Choreboy if spares are needed.

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