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Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

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Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by wdf on Fri Apr 26 2013, 13:27

having stripped my 1945 Lister D through a number of coats of paint... the "original" is actually a much darker green than normal "mid brunswick"

as I am fairly keen on getting paint correct... I would like to keep this darker green... it seems more like deep brunswick green than mid brunswick.....

I read somewhere that wartime Lister Ds were a darker green... can anyone confirm firstly if this is true, and secondly is it therefore deep brunswick green...and if not... thirdly, what sort of green is it...

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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by mm5aho on Fri Apr 26 2013, 14:53

I'm part way through refubishing my #2 Lister D, and was cleaning up parts last night.
It had been stored outside, but the thoughtful previousl owner (I presume it was him) had filled the sump with fresh oil, greased everything, and painted without disassembly using metal primer (redish pink).
But in stripping it right down, I'm getting to original, and although I'm not sure of the year yet, (I have the number now, but haven't looked it up), it too is darker green.

Being in the colour business (powder coating), I find that the words to describe colours are not very definitive and subject to a lot of interpretation (gloss level suffers like this too).
I'd describe the colour that seems to be the original, on my #2 as RAL 6005. (sometimes called Moss Green)
The RAl system is widely used in commercial painting as a definitive colour reference.
Other similar hue references are
Pantone = 343U
Dulux = 07GG 08/244
In BS 381 "Deep Brunswick Green" is 227 (BS = British Standard, and 381 is yet another colour standard)
BS381 Mid Brunswick Green is 226 and Light brunswick green is 225.
Check out this page for an idea....http://www.e-paint.co.uk/BS381%20Colourchart.asp



Using those colours on that chart, I'd assess the original colour of my #2 Lister as Mid Brunswick Green.

Has that served only to confuse the issue?


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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by wdf on Fri Apr 26 2013, 15:28

thanks for that.

I googled RAL 6005 Moss Green and stationary engine parts supply that as a paint, and looking at their "version" of the colour "on screen" that looks much more like mine......
http://www.stationaryengineparts.com/RAL-6005-Moss-Green.html

but then looking at the link you gave above then "BS381 226 Mid Brunswick green" also looks correct...


but then looking at "Mid Brunswick Green" on stationary engine parts looks too light....

as you state, colour descriptions usually get twisted over the years... a good example is "Fordson Empire Blue"

I wish I had kept a section of the original paint on the inside of the binnacle of my Dexta to get it properly matched... as it is completely different any so called "empire blue" you can buy....

I think with that in mid I will retain an original small surface area on mine before i strip it all off.. so as to retain a match for whatever green can be matched.. (I have so far only stripepd the head, everything else still has some orginal remnants of paint.. so maybe inside the flywheel or something maybe a good colour to match


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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by mm5aho on Fri Apr 26 2013, 16:56

In todays post was a 500ml can of paint I got off Ebay. £4.95 posted, and in a reasonable green for Lister. So my #2 Lister D will get that stuff. Its International (one of the many brands owned by Akzo Nobel), so should be good quality stuff. Dunno how they can sell it at about 1/3 the price elsewhere.

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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by Foden on Fri Apr 26 2013, 17:11

The 'War Finish' D Types were painted a lighter pea green. Every D Type that I have owned has had darker paint than what you get now due to age and heat amongst other things, apparently Lister swapped suppliers to get the best and cheapest deals so the shade varied a lot! Ray Hooley (ex Ruston Hornsby engineer) told me that engine restorers worry more about paint shades than the factories ever did, they just slapped on what was available and cheap at the time. Smile

During the war Rustons soon used up their stock of Deep Bronze Green so switched to the old Hornsby maroon that they had left over, when that also ran out of stock they used Battleship Grey (plenty of that around then) until the war ended and green paint was available again. At least Lister stayed with green paint of some description! Wink

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paint...the final answer...

Post by wdf on Thu May 09 2013, 13:06

After in depth discussions with the second wife... who is an artist.....she has stated that brunswick green either deep,or mid is too dark.... so she has decided on a totally different shade...RAL6019 (Pastel Green) and after success with 2K paint on the engine of my Dexta (after 4 years it still looks brand new...) then I have ordered some pastel green 2K paint..... and as I also have some 2K clearcoat leftover from my Landrover respray then it may be getting some clearcoat over the top of the pastel green for extra depth.....
(though note I have the correct equipment for 2K spraying, which includes a 14cfm compressor which is enough for both spraygun and air fed full face mask... and you must do it in a well ventilated location....and wear full overalls covering all your skin as the isocyanate gets absorbed into the bloodstream if you dont....)


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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by stationary stu on Fri May 10 2013, 12:00

I wonder if Lister put any engines out in a pastel green shade as I have one that's light green, it looks original so it must have been the purchaser that wanted that colour. One day I'll get round to sending off for the details from David to see if that helps clear up this mystery. Suspect

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Pastel Green Orchard Sprayer...

Post by wdf on Sun May 26 2013, 17:52

Ok, its finished... it runs perfectly..... and I think I have half emptied my 4000 litre water butts while playing with it... ... ... ... ...

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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by kevjhnsn on Sun May 26 2013, 17:59

theres a question as yours is a ww11 war timer lister used what ever greens greys and blues they could get there hands on
ive been talking to 2 old lads from the dursley lister A,B and D line
they said the "stationary engine collectors are far more bothered about the paint colours than they ever were at the factory"
so there you go thats all im posting on this as thats come from the horses mouths them selves ,so to speek
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Re: Lister D 1945... wartime darker green paint.(deep brunswick??)

Post by stationary stu on Mon May 27 2013, 11:20

That colour green is similar to an engine I have so it could be the correct colour Lister sent them out the factory.

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