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Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Jan 17 2014, 05:21

Im under way restoring a early d with original exhurst and a suction carb,  pre amal floated ones
it has the wrong mag but will see if he wants a closer to original hovis mag ,as ml mags are searious wonga
had it running after a few hours faffing and it supposed to have a knock ,but to my ears i cant  hear one
ive changed the oil and for pre dismantling flush out had to remove and repair the mag to get a spark
but im not anyway a lister d man but heres a video after me and jules "LISTER A " reset the tappets to the correct settings not the type error ones that i did them to "see its aways good to ask someone who knows more about the engine than the manual i bought  Wink 
so tappets were even quiter for this video
Anyway, hope it's useful.  





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were could the knock be hiding ,the best answer i was thinking was carbon hotspoting or oil burn for the heavy breathing it does
and the carb since unblocked the pipe system seams to be a little to rich to me and jules
under heavy load it just had a travelling noise but not a knock more of a tinny sound to it ???

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Jan 17 2014, 05:45

well had the studs soaking for a few days so yesterday & today were the day when i was warmed up again
oil dropped ,tank drained and then off came the head and all other top end parts ,as the head was the first place i wanted to look at for the gremlin and sure enough carbon deposits and plenty of oil up the ,bore was polished like a mirror and the piston rings dont seam to be doing there job very well at all no ring restistance when rotated and slopy piston in the bore
cant feel any play when at tdc or bdc in the big endbush or little end ,but bigend will go side to side on the crank shaft upto the c clip and the web end 3mm each way
heres some pics all head pics didnt save to memory card  Crying or Very sad and ive already started to strip the paint studs gaskets rust ect ect


blocked gallorys and is that a low compression piston from a dk as my d as the sloped sides and flat top no hollowed middle like this one ??

remains of the head stud washers

rods and rockers saved in order

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by A Lister on Fri Jan 17 2014, 12:30

I think those photos are probably tricking you, and you'll find the piston has a raised crown rather than it being a hollow when you have a look at it in 'real life'?

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by Foden on Fri Jan 17 2014, 15:11

Standard D type piston there, DK ones are flat topped.

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by matt86 on Fri Jan 17 2014, 15:28

kev the piston has not got a recess its got a crown that sticks up , go jave another look, flat pistons are what a dk had , what uou are discribing is a 2 stroke piston .

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by A Lister on Fri Jan 17 2014, 18:20

How do you think it sounds Pete?  Question  I know you have a Shafty D so you should know!?  http://s1086.photobucket.com/user/a-lister1/media/MOV_0481_zps785c9469.mp4.html

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Jan 17 2014, 20:04

A Lister wrote:I think those photos are probably tricking you, and you'll find the piston has a raised crown rather than it being a hollow when you have a look at it in 'real life'?
jules think i should not post things when just woke up mate lol
the piston is raised what ever i was thinking at the time  Rolling Eyes Embarassed Rolling Eyes think i was mixing it up with the depth of the valves in the head lol
never seen as deep a head as this on a stationary from my memory  Embarassed 
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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Jan 17 2014, 20:05

Foden wrote:Standard D type piston there, DK ones are flat topped.

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sorry mate my brain was off line at time of posting mate
how did it sound to you in video ???
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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Jan 17 2014, 20:07

matt86 wrote:kev the piston has not got a recess its got a crown that sticks up , go jave another look, flat pistons are what a dk had , what uou are discribing is a 2 stroke piston .

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think i should of stopped of the computer when babys got me up last night mate
must of been dreaming or is it knightmares of 2 strokes again  Laughing 
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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by Foden on Fri Jan 17 2014, 21:21

I think that it might be too far advanced Kev, on the video I cannot see an airvalve on the carb either? Otherwise it seemed OK. Just make sure that the oil dipper is actually flicking oil up, those early short ones only just touch the oil, the later engines had longer dip rods plus a splash guard to prevent over oiling of the bore.

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Re: august 1929 RICARDO SHAFTY LISTER D spec D11

Post by A Lister on Fri Jan 17 2014, 21:54

The early air valve stem was very short Pete, they extended it a bit later so you could put a finger on it to hold it down to aid cold starting.  So that's right for this date of engine.  I'm not an expert on early D engines, but each time I look something up that's on this engine in David Edgington's D History book, it fits with being original spec.  

Apart from the magneto, this seems (to me, so far) to be a nice original low-tank engine.  If it were mine I might think about saving up for an ML magneto... but then again, the replacement magneto it's fitted with is part of the engine's history... so what do you do?  In this case, perhaps nothing and keep it as it is, if the mag works OK.  

Don't worry Kev, it takes me at least half an hour to wake up enough to get out of the bedroom, let alone fire up a computer and post something on a forum!  Laughing   The deep recess in the head where the valves are is a feature of the Riccardo head, so once again it's right for an original early D engine.   Very Happy

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Post by Foden on Fri Jan 17 2014, 22:04

I know that the early air valve's are shorter Jules, it was just that I couldn't see one moving at all in the video. Presumably it has one as they run rough without them.

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Post by A Lister on Fri Jan 17 2014, 22:24

Yes, there was an air valve it's just not visible on the video... it was filmed with my mobile phone late Sunday afternoon just before it rained, due to poor light it's not the best video footage I've ever produced!    Neutral     Sorry for any confusion Pete.   Embarassed

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Post by Foden on Fri Jan 17 2014, 22:34

A Lister wrote:Yes, there was an air valve it's just not visible on the video... it was filmed with my mobile phone late Sunday afternoon just before it rained, due to poor light it's not the best video footage I've ever produced!    Neutral     Sorry for any confusion Pete.   Embarassed

Oh right Jules, and I was blaming Kev!!! Maybe the cast silencer makes it sound different, neither of my early D's have them alas.

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Post by kevjhnsn on Sat Jan 18 2014, 03:26

Foden wrote:
A Lister wrote:Yes, there was an air valve it's just not visible on the video... it was filmed with my mobile phone late Sunday afternoon just before it rained, due to poor light it's not the best video footage I've ever produced!    Neutral     Sorry for any confusion Pete.   Embarassed

Oh right Jules, and I was blaming Kev!!!    Maybe the cast silencer makes it sound different, neither of my early D's have them alas.

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thanks pete
for the good pointers as you dont say much but when you do it always helps mate
???????????? can i fit the later longer dipper to this old girl ,it has a splitpin holding this one on to bigend ??????/
me and jules also were thinking that the timing maybe a little out ,but i  more interested in getting the knock to show up at the time ,but had the mag off as not sparking and maybe tweeked it off were it was when removed ,
i think the screw fuel valve is not right as either over fueling still on the stop position ,and when screw removed and turned over to new lower ground  just wont run at all so think its been broken or from a lister A-B ect as just wont do its job, but will have a look and see when i get it a bit further along its way back together again, or if somone has a measurement from tip to top or inside dial would be a great help as this manbe the issue as screw maybe no longer in the right place for getting stop normal and starting  confused 
but it maybe just oil burning and making it seam to be over fueled

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Post by kevjhnsn on Sat Jan 18 2014, 03:34

A Lister wrote:Yes, there was an air valve it's just not visible on the video... it was filmed with my mobile phone late Sunday afternoon just before it rained, due to poor light it's not the best video footage I've ever produced!    Neutral     Sorry for any confusion Pete.   Embarassed

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jules is beginning to half a job on most things lately  Laughing Laughing Laughing 
and yes the weather was freezing and turning for a big peeing down ,we just got packed away intime for the storm to commence
and were i work from its seams inposable to get a good video or photo , but a workshop is in the pipe lines  Smile so fingers crossed
pics and products will inprove in quality

jules see you later capitan kodak
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Post by Foden on Sat Jan 18 2014, 07:53

Kev, I think that you CAN fit the longer oil dipper as the thread should be in the conrod, however they reckon it then throws too much oil up and causes smoke and plug fouling which is why the later engine's have the splash plate in the crankcase. The short rod's are fine, you just have to make sure the oil level is kept full. After all, it has been around for 80+ years so it hasn't hurt it any! Smile 

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Post by spit-bang on Sat Jan 18 2014, 10:16

This model has the shorter air valve stem, which is why it is not clear in the video. The longer air valve stem came in at spec 12.

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Post by A Lister on Sat Jan 18 2014, 10:57

spit-bang wrote:This model has the shorter air valve stem, which is why it is not clear in the video. The longer air valve stem came in at spec 12.

Yes, I mentioned the short air valve in post Number 11 on Page 1; apparently, one of the advantages of the longer air valve was that it could be held down to aid cold starting.  I must admit, I've never had to hold the air valve down to start my 1940 D... but I suppose I've never tried to start this engine when it's been -6 degrees outside, like it would probably have been at times during it's working life!  Laughing

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Post by spit-bang on Sat Jan 18 2014, 13:01

haha, yes you are right there! It sometimes slips my mind that these engines had to work for a living in ANY conditions.

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Post by kevjhnsn on Sun Mar 16 2014, 12:50

hi neil 
heres some more

the water jacket before

heres the after block water jacket now after a deep cleaning out as best i can

all the way round the bore to the same spec ,better than before when it was 3/4" thick with rust and filled in most of the bore cooling with the  other crap to the top of block

heres the carb ready for final strip down wash and painting  an example of the stanard ofhow all parts are cleaned up prior to final wash down and painting polishing ect
 

heres the block drying after final wash after last sanding ready for paint

heres the sump from the end you cant see for the cover end when rebuilt all sump has been scrubbed out and as much fine engine debrea gung gunk and years of throw and bakedon grease flushed and magneted away as possable

and down the bore thats still awaiting the meeting of its new rings and piston geodgeon ect

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Post by kevjhnsn on Sun Mar 16 2014, 17:35

valves lapped and reseated again and a total decoke

showing the missing casting through 80+ yrs of water cooling



casting all cleaned up ready for building back up ,but to also look unrepaired just used not rooted away again






all parts with the high zinc oxide primmer coats on

you can see the head all streightened back up and all parts in first of the top coats





castings done to leave a smaller amount of pitting visable

and all loose stick together to allow few more days hardening off before flattening of for the next of the topcoats
end of crankshaft left as is until flywheel refixed in place
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Post by Lewis MacRae on Sun Mar 16 2014, 20:19

craking on with it, your moving away from the villieers!!

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Post by kevjhnsn on Sun Mar 16 2014, 23:50

Lewis MacRae wrote:craking on with it, your moving away from the villieers!!
not as such lewis
just ive restored owned or still own about all the villiers models there was to own 2 4 stroke gas petrol diesel ect ect ,i do have a 250cc and gearbox from a bike lurking at my parents allong with a very early all cast iron and cast alloy  villiers powered lawn mower  
and i do that many for other people these days ,so ive always had a mixture of british engines in my collection and of course the american ones are starting to collect in numbers slowly too
so why get bored of one brand when theres plenty others to have a play with too Very Happy  Very Happy 
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Post by spit-bang on Thu Mar 20 2014, 19:15

its coming along niceley kev. looks better than when it left here Smile . any luck with the piston yet?

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