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Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Sat Feb 15 2014, 20:42

Hi everyone. Im fairly new to the stationary engines, but so far I'm enjoying every minute of working on them (except when they refuse to co-operate Wink ).

I bought these two engines on eBay in autumn last year, thinking they were both Mk 40's. I planned to make one functioning engine out of two non-functioning engines.

However, the first one arrived and it wasn't what the seller had advertised. Unfortunately, it was also somewhat damaged in transit. One of the feet on the oil sump had smashed off, the inlet manifold had snapped, the air filter had been crushed and I recently discovered that the crankcase had been pretty much shattered too.

I have put the Mk 40 HS in the garage for now to work on in a few months or so, but the Mk 20 is coming along brilliantly! It's fully dismantled, cleaned and all of the spare parts have been ordered and should be arriving on Monday. Got to send a few parts off to be sand blasted too, but they should be back by Tuesday.

I shall post a few pictures of my progress in the next few days, and I will keep this updated as I finish the build and start on the bigger task of the Mk 40 HS!



Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Lewis MacRae on Sat Feb 15 2014, 21:19

Sound like you got too great projects, sorry to hear that you got mislead by the seller and then found that one f the engine had broke during transit.

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Mon Feb 17 2014, 23:51

Yeah, I suppose it was a blessing in disguise, if I had two Mk 40's, I might not have decided to start collecting!

Tried to get the Mk 40 going today, so far, only limited success. Broke 3 fins on the flywheel/cylinder head, managed to get a spark, and broke the wire off the coil...

I'll try again later on! Smile

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by kevjhnsn on Tue Feb 18 2014, 02:00

hi there if you need any help or advice just message it here or pm/mp or email from box on right of this
as i have worked on many villiers over the years and have shelves of saved good parts ,castings ect from the many unsalvagables
and the manuals arnt always clear to work from on some areas as i learned with expearence  Smile 
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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Tue Feb 18 2014, 10:52

Thanks! I might just do that, there are a few things that I am a bit stumped on at the moment with this Mk 40, I'll take a few pics and message you.

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by callum12 on Tue Feb 18 2014, 20:42

Nice project you got there, will it a oily rag job or a full on restoration?

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Tue Feb 18 2014, 21:07

Full on restoration I think. Definately for the Mk 20, had to replace loads.

Been tinkering with the Mk 40 today, and I nearly got it going, but I cant seem to get the fuel to go through the carb properly. It was firing when I was spraying fuel through the air intake, but it wouldn't go when the fuel was going through the carb as it should.

It's sparking really well now that I've cleaned the points, cleaned the coil connections and replaced the HT lead (that I completely broke).

Had the carb apart today, cleaned it all out, got the right setting for the needle and got the throttle and air intake open too.

Its the Zenith carb on, anyone have any ideas how to get it firing?

(I don't actually know if everything is there on the carb, I think it is though)

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by callum12 on Tue Feb 18 2014, 23:09

That will look very nice with a full restoration.
as for getting it going, try checking the timing. If you post a video of you trying to get it going I'm sure some one can give you hand.

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Wed Feb 19 2014, 23:48

IT LIVES!

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by callum12 on Thu Feb 20 2014, 00:13

what did you have to do to get it going?

you must be well chuffed  Very Happy Very Happy 

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Thu Feb 20 2014, 00:17

Well, I neglected to check if the compression was there. Turns out there was absolutely none. So we took the head off and found the exhaust valve rusted open. Cleaned it up and got it moving again, put it back together and it started up first pull!

Just need to get this Mk 20 done and then I can do the restoration of the Mk 40! Smile

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Lewis MacRae on Thu Feb 20 2014, 00:19

It is a great sense of achievement getting an engine, stripping it down, painting it and then putting it back together and starting it for the fitst time in many years!

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by callum12 on Thu Feb 20 2014, 00:21

its always the most obvious things you forget, i guess everyone thinks their so obvious you can't possibly forget! LOL
anyway well done with that. now that you've got it going are you going to strip it down and paint it or paint it with it in one piece?

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Sun Feb 23 2014, 00:55

Well, looks like the Mk 20 is going to be firing by the end of the day. Been working on it on Friday and Saturday night, and its pretty much there. My dad wont let me try to start it though without him there as he doesn't want me to hurt myself.

My original crankcase, with the deep canyon running through it.


The cylinder and flywheel before I sent them off to the sandblasters.



New oil sump all kitted out and ready to go.


Time to start putting stuff together!


It was at this stage that I went through about 6 hours of putting stuff together then taking it apart again when I forgot to put parts in that needed to go in first. I would have taken photos, but I was so frustrated that I probably would have ended up throwing my phone off a wall.

The results so far of all my pain and suffering. The engine as of Saturday night. Nothing painted yet, I want to make sure it actually works before I do the cosmetic stuff. You should be able to see the fab work the sandblasters did on the flywheel, cylinder and cylinder head. They look fresh out of the foundry!





If, or should I say when I get it firing later on today, I shall see if I can make a video. Smile

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Post by callum12 on Sun Feb 23 2014, 01:05

that is looking good, do you know what colour it'll be painted in yet? I think a nice dark, high gloss paint would look good.
Well done with all your work,

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Post by Gubble1234 on Sun Feb 23 2014, 01:18

callum12 wrote:that is looking good, do you know what colour it'll be painted in yet? I think a nice dark, high gloss paint would look good.
Well done with all your work,

callum

Thanks! I was thinking about going with the original green colour for the covers and fuel tank, black for the cylinder, cylinder head and fuel tank straps thenleave the crankcase and sump unpainted.

What do you think?

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by kevjhnsn on Sun Feb 23 2014, 01:42

along the lines of this one other than the grey tinwork as army spec engine

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by kevjhnsn on Sun Feb 23 2014, 01:52

[quote="kevjhnsn"]
hi chris
got theoil seal then mate  Very Happy 
so you thinking of doing yours along the lines of this one then
it will help you deside like or no lke for yours  Very Happy 




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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Sun Feb 23 2014, 13:04

Wow, thats amazing! I think that is definately what I will be going for!

I have to ask though, what is that part with "VILLIERS VAPOURISER" on? I have never seen that before!

Im assuming the exhaust gases heat up the fuel/air mix as its heading into the combustion chamber?


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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Tue Feb 25 2014, 22:17

Engine finally running now, gonna start the cosmetic stuff at the weekend I think. I shall post more pics when I can!

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Re: Villiers Mk 20 and Villiers Mk 40 HS

Post by Gubble1234 on Mon Jun 16 2014, 15:01

A sneak peak of the new colour. I tried to match it to the original colour as best I could, but this colour is great anyway!


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