Another New Model......Lister F

Managed to get my mitts on this nice little motor earlier at West Bay Rally

apologies, pictures are not fantastic!

Nice little engine. Any plans for her? Going to do anything to it or just rally as is?

knowing matt , he will rally it as it is ... or even strip most of the paint off it and rally it ...

matt

Looks good, not much Lister F's in Scotland! Looks good

matt86 wrote:knowing matt , he will rally it as it is ... or even strip most of the paint off it and rally it ...

matt

Nah this ones OK paintwise, not original but looks nice and aged anyway, except the tank, she runs nice enough so doesn't really need any work done, definitely needs a better trolly though

That stupid trolley tipped over when I was moving it across the lawn earlier, so its gotta go, she did run nicely for an hour or so earlier

Matth92 wrote:That stupid trolley tipped over when I was moving it across the lawn earlier, so its gotta go, she did run nicely for an hour or so earlier

wheel barrow trolleys are a right pain matt , when you strap them down the always manage to move about as slide on the feet . unless you wedge them in well .

and yes can be unstable , plus when you loading one person needs to be lifting the feet end up in the air , thats why i dont like them ! But thats only my opinion .

matt

matt86 wrote:

Matth92 wrote:That stupid trolley tipped over when I was moving it across the lawn earlier, so its gotta go, she did run nicely for an hour or so earlier

wheel barrow trolleys are a right pain matt , when you strap them down the always manage to move about as slide on the feet . unless you wedge them in well .

and yes can be unstable , plus when you loading one person needs to be lifting the feet end up in the air , thats why i dont like them ! But thats only my opinion .

matt

Cant say I like them either. I think the handles are just to big and bulky. I know a man with a 2 wheeled trolley but he dosn't use handles he uses a rod that goes into the starting handle thing.

when I find some wheels she will go on a proper 4 wheel job, as god intended

You can't beat a barrow trolley for manoeuvring an engine around, they are by far the easiest trolley to handle, you can steer them within their own axis, which you can't do with any 4 wheel trolley, also they're a lot cheaper to make. But for loading up with them you need 2 people.

Best for loading up ramps is a straight 4 wheeler with no steering, I find steerable trolleys a pain in the arse up ramps, I know one old guy who won't have steerable trolleys at all for that reason, he's in his 80s & says he finds a straight one easier to handle on his own when loading. The next one I make with 4 wheels will have lockable steering (probably just a couple of holes, drilled straight through, with pins that drop in to stop it moving). I might even change the Kohler trolley to lock the steering, as that is easily the main problem when loading it up. I never load or un-load on my own anyway, but I guess I may have to one day (probably best get a winch first eh? )

I did think about a barrow trolley with lockable casters where the feet should go, so you lock them in position & it's then either a barrow trolley or a non-steerable 4 wheeled trolley. Would be the best of all 3 types as it could steer, or could be locked straight forward for loading up ramps or picked up as a barrow for tight manoeuvring around the workshop (parallel parking). Trouble with that is casters look bloody awful.

4 wheeled, non steerable all the way, Im lumpy enough to turn em in the right direction meself

Non-steerable eh? Now you do surprise me. I had you down as a steerable trolley kind-a-guy.

Not that it matters, I think I'm a barrow trolley kind-a-guy myself. I keep one as a temporary trolley for projects & for moving any engines I have on skids. But I started my working life on a building site, so got used to wheel barrows. Also I'm a skin-flint & don't like spending out on the extra wheels .

I guess my mate in his 80s must be onto something then, with these 4 wheel non-steerable trolleys. He's an old agricultural engineer with a lovely workshop, so could build himself any type of trolley he likes (he's converted most of his engines to electric start, due to his age), but he always goes for a non-steerable trolley.

My Bernard WO is on a barrow type job I made, and though its only small its still a PITA!

Strange after years of thinking everyone liked the barrow style trolley looks as if i'm wrong and only a few like them. I've nothing on a barrow style trolley yet but i'm thinking about making some soon but they'll be sold soon after so not my worry.

BACK ON TOPIC Nice looking engine Matt I didn't think it was your choice of engine, I thought you were into more rarer types of engine these days.

Stu.

Shes's rare enough for me, nah its just the sort of engine I like really, nice and basic looking

nutgone wrote:Non-steerable eh? Now you do surprise me. I had you down as a steerable trolley kind-a-guy. .

Matt having a steerable trolley :stick lol: :stick lol: :stick lol: :stick lol:

i think everyone i have seem of his are basic as you like ....

matt

Yeah, you don't see many about. I haven't seen one round here for years.

I would buy one if it came about.

matt86 wrote:

nutgone wrote:Non-steerable eh? Now you do surprise me. I had you down as a steerable trolley kind-a-guy. .

Matt having a steerable trolley :stick lol: :stick lol: :stick lol: :stick lol:

i think everyone i have seem of his are basic as you like ....

matt

If I wanted to p*ss around with the axles moving going up the ramps etc I would make a steerable one, 2 crosspieces, 2 axles and 2 main bearers and an old spanner on the side is good enough for me

next question!!!???

nutgone wrote:Yeah, you don't see many about. I haven't seen one round here for years.

I would buy one if it came about.

There are 2 that I see about down here but I think I have only ever seen 4 in the flesh

I have got mine going really nicely now, but still a bit smoky, the petrol stinks though, donkeys years old, probably the problem!

I've got a real soft spot for rad cooled engines.

It's got to be the best method of cooling
(obviously apart from air cooling ).

nutgone wrote:I've got a real soft spot for rad cooled engines.

It's got to be the best method of cooling
(obviously apart from air cooling ).

I prefer water cooled engines.

Matth92 wrote:

nutgone wrote:Yeah, you don't see many about. I haven't seen one round here for years.

I would buy one if it came about.

There are 2 that I see about down here but I think I have only ever seen 4 in the flesh

I have got mine going really nicely now, but still a bit smoky, the petrol stinks though, donkeys years old, probably the problem!

Well said that man ... but i do agree for a rustic trolley just 2 main bearers and 2 cross peices would do ... well thats if the engine isnt to heavy ...

Nothing wrong with simple trolleys at all .

Personally i do like the steerable trolleys but its ease of movment around the back of my house with limited room . And bigger engines like IHC M would be a bit*h to move without being able to steer it . but i do have 2 engines which are not on steerable trolleys .

matt

matt86 wrote:

Matth92 wrote:

nutgone wrote:Yeah, you don't see many about. I haven't seen one round here for years.

I would buy one if it came about.

There are 2 that I see about down here but I think I have only ever seen 4 in the flesh

I have got mine going really nicely now, but still a bit smoky, the petrol stinks though, donkeys years old, probably the problem!

Well said that man ... but i do agree for a rustic  trolley  just 2 main bearers and 2 cross peices would do ... well thats if the engine isnt to heavy ...

Nothing wrong with simple trolleys at all .

Personally i do like the steerable trolleys but its ease of movment around the back of my house with limited room . And bigger engines like IHC M would be a bit*h to move without being able to steer it . but i do have 2 engines which are not on steerable trolleys .

matt

And you've seen all the corners down my place!

Yes the ones down the side of the house and around the back could be a bit challenging for the best steersman

matt

Ive had trouble steering meself round em after a skinfull