Identify this Villiers please?

Hi all,
I am interested in this engine on ebay but I am unable to find any information on it. It clearly shows the type as an E30 but that doesn't show up on a search. I am thinking that it may be a Mk 25 or Mk10. I am sure one of you knowledgeable folks out there will soon put me right. (Or one of you will start bidding on it )

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DanBoy

P.S. Does it look like someone has taken an angle grinder to the top of the carb to you??

Dan it looks old to me and I'm not an expert on Villiers engines but is it a Villiers? I'm not sure what model has an external Mag all the villiers I know have a flywheel set up. I wonder if it has the wrong tinware fixed to it.

You could be right about the carb, maybe done cutting the exhaust off as that looks newish and wrong.

Please keep me informed about,

Stu.

Looks like one of the engine built when Villiers and Jap Merged.

Cheers Steve

I've been looking at some pics on the web at it looks like a Wisconsin, anybody got any views on that???

Stu.

Looks like a JAP 4/3 to me, which were around when Villiers and Jap were one.

Cheers Steve

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Pete.

Yep, that's it then, a Jap 4/3. Thanks guys.

Nice one Pete, thanks for the help.

Stu.

DanBoy wrote:Yep, that's it then, a Jap 4/3. Thanks guys.

Is it? Isn't it a Villiers E30, which is the same as a JAP 4/3 because they were part of the same company?


Cheers Steve

Yeah, the photos referred to earlier are my two engines, a JAP 4/3 of 1941 and a newer one built by Villiers. The opening bid on the one you're looking at is more than I paid for either of mine which, I would guess, are in far better condition than this one.

alanjohnlew wrote:Yeah, the photos referred to earlier are my two engines, a JAP 4/3 of 1941 and a newer one built by Villiers. The opening bid on the one you're looking at is more than I paid for either of mine which, I would guess, are in far better condition than this one.

I think that you are right. Having looked closer at the condition and damage, I might just give this a miss. Maybe it will get relisted at a more realistic price.

Incidentally, the Villiers built 4/3 I have has a JAP transfer on the cowling and 4/3 stamped on the tip of the oil dipstick.

me bought it of the evil bay
i like a challange well not really i have a recon mag for it and carb ect
so bring on the jap/villiers thingy me bob lol
im ready for it LOL lol
kev

There's always one isn't there !!! Revenge will be sweet

DanBoy wrote:There's always one isn't there !!! Revenge will be sweet

watch it DANBOY
i may have an engine for you soon and it may get pricey lol lol lol
ive PM you as well
2-5 bob indeed lol
KEV

WELL I COLLECTED THE ENGINE ON SUNDAY
STRIPPED IT DOWN FOR A CLEAN UP AND SEE WHATS WHAT WITH IT
THERE IS NO JAP stamped onto it anywere not on the castings, cowling, id numbers dont even match JAP data
on the dip stick it does say stamped into it 4/3

removed head and valve cover to find the exhurst valve was stuck open but some lub down the stem and got my flat screwdrver
too see if it would move and plop it closed and the valve seats are spot on still good so far
then onto turning over to BDC and no rust or gremlins down the bore
then i noticed the head gasket in the middle was showing signs of blow out " ooh shit her it goes " the head was flat as it should be
then cheecked the block exspecting the worst BUT no that was flat as flat to no pitting or burnout scares,
so i had a look at the head gasket and there on the under side of the alloy gasket pressed into it were the 2 starwashers missing of the head stud nuts
so looks like somone gave it a decoke and then it would no longer start so stuck in the shed
so next the MAGNETO took 5 mins and we have ignition .
cleaned carb out and reasembled the engine
so its a case lift outside and fit my test tank for now as dos have original tank with but tap is soaking as siezed up closed
so soon to follow
FINGERS CROSSED THE FIRST FIRE UP
KEV

kevjhnsn wrote:WELL I COLLECTED THE ENGINE ON SUNDAY
STRIPPED IT DOWN FOR A CLEAN UP AND SEE WHATS WHAT WITH IT
THERE IS NO JAP stamped onto it anywere not on the castings, cowling, id numbers dont even match JAP data
on the dip stick it does say stamped into it 4/3

Didn't we confirm it was the Villiers Version? so it wouldnt have JAP stamped into it.

Cheers Steve

how to date it is my question
i have no idea
VILLIERS bought JAP or became bussiness partners from 50s
1960s villiers disolved the jap brand
????????????????????
kev
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villiers E30 or a 4/3 JAP with the villiers name on
have dated the engine now and it is a 1964
1 year after jap seised trading
also found the stamp mark on cowling from 1964 too
so that is a confirmation of dating
found it after i started to remove the paint back to original blue colour
i did fire the engine but the head gasket and compound didnt work as well as thought
so ive located and now in my hands a genuine new old stock alloy head gasket for it
so hope it solves the problem
head and block are as flat as they come so gasket took the force of the washers left under it and gasket is tappered on reinspection 1mm at each endarround the studs were washers were found on decoke and valve seating
kev