Unknown pump on a Villiers Mk 10

Hi, New member !  My first foray into stationary engines. Can anyone please help id the diaphragm pump driven by this Villiers Mk 10 ? No id plates. Thanks, Steve

Hi Steve A and welcome to the forum. I believe you need to be registered as a user for a specific amount of time before you are able to post pictures. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly to confirm the details.

Regards,

Neil.

Thanks Neil, Yes I struggled with that ! I'll upload a photo as soon as I can and work out how to do it. cheers.

Hi Steve,

New members cannot post links/images for a few days - Forumotion rules not mine. In the meantime have a butchers at How to upload images: https://ukengineforum.forumotion.com/t9665-how-to-upload-images

P.S. Please take a few minutes to introduce yourself in New Members. Cheers.

Morning, Finally managed to upload image

Looks like a Simplite MkIV pump, if you PM me an email address I can send you a manual.

Hi Steve A, good to see you're now able to post pictures. That looks to be a nice, complete and original pump set up. Should make an interesting and hopefully a rewarding restoration. Unfortunately I'm unable to help you identify the make of pump, although it does look like it comes complete with two original greasers, which might help to date it.

P.S. I now note that Stuart has hopefully identified the make and model.

Neil

Not sure it's a Mk4
https://ukengineforum.forumotion.com/t8868-my-first-project-villiers-c12-simplite-mk4-pumpset

Hi, Thanks for responses. I've also looked at a couple of other Mk iV pics. Definitely not this although it appears to be similar construction and a 2/3" pump
The pump mechanism body of mine is solid and notably different by the grease caps on the top, noted by Neil.
Would Villiers normally have assembled the set-up or was that done by 3rd parties ?
Keep trying please...........
Thanks Steve

AFAIK Villiers would supply the engines to other companies to incorporate into their equipment. The book 'Villiers - Everybody's Engine' has appendix listing the users of Villiers industrial engines and their products. It's a long list!

Nice pump BTW.

I have a manual covering the MK10 in pdf form, PM me your email address if you want a copy.

Maybe it's an earlier Simplite?, my Mk.IV had a cast base.

I'm surprised there is no form of I/D on the pump. Is there nothing legible on that plate? The twin greasers should be a giveaway but I haven't found anything to match.  Hanging around for a delivery today so I'll do a bit more surfing.

Hi, I've been able to uncover some markings on a small greaser on the side. It looks like 'Leeds No 2 Kingfisher' . Could that be it or is it a size of greaser ? The other greasers are obliterated.
I thought it would be cast into body but no such luck.
I've looked for other Simplite models but without success, even written to Slwood. The plate on it definitely is only greaser instructions.
I'm going to have another go but pretty sure there is none as paint looks original too.
I have a manual thanks- managed to get it via a lawnmower club.
thanks again, Steve

Maybe a bit tricky whilst still assembled but look very carefully at the fuel tank and back of fan cowl. If you're lucky you may spot a small lozenge shaped stamp with the letters AJH and a year. That might give us a start.

The stamp on my oldest Mk.10

I'm baffled, can't believe there are no markings. I don't think I'm going to find anything until I start to dismantle, which might not be too long as the spark is very poor if there is one !
It's a bit like finding a dodgy car with the id removed - not that I have. I'll let you know if I find more when I get inside.
thanks,

It's all part of the fun! I have a Villiers C12 and 2" centrifugal pump, the only ID is a sticker on the tank and I can't find anything else about it.

Yep it's fun. I've got the pump off and part dismantled to look for markings.
There is a small 'SMOS' cast into the inside of the chain drive cover, nothing else I'm afraid either under the top drive cover, the main diaphragm casing or the top bearings or chainwheel.
I'm going to switch to the engine now, I really need to get that firing !
cheers all, Steve

Hi Steve,
Can you please post a picture of the Villiers engine plate? I have been checking with old sources and precise model and serial number may help.

Hi Woodsman,
I can't. Neither pump nor engine have any external markings, not even that stamp mentioned. The flywheel is marked A60079 65/-8 73. This and the contact set type (see weak spark thread) leads me to believe (from parts list) that it's a mk 10/2. I've got them both running now - quite a moment !. Once warmed seem to run not bad although when water running through it jumps about a bit - I guess the reaction to the water impulse, Newton's 2nd law and all that ! I've looked quite a few times for a similar pump but end up being deluged with pictures of modern stuff. There'll be someone still around who probably made them

Mk 10/2 was introduced in the mid 1960's and continued into the late 1970's. It's possible that the -8 73 on the flywheel is the date of that part and possibly the engine.

I think that you and blue cat are correct. Earlier  models had 'barrel' coils between much chunkier laminated 'cheeks' Presume you checked the bore? 50mm = MK10, 55mm= MK12
Well done for getting them going by the way.

Here's a few more pics at Paul's request.
Just to remind you - SMOS is cast into the inside face of the chain cover and the only label lists some lubrication instructions.
cheers Steve.

A couple more as requested by Paul,
cheers  Steve