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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by nutgone on Wed Jan 23 2013, 22:08

steve w wrote:might sound like a silly question - i am going to strip my lister down soon and was wondering if the head studs are prone to sheering and if so are they easy to replace - mine look well rusty i am not even sure if the nuts will come off them yet.

Not a silly question at all (I don't think there's any such thing as a silly question really), in fact I was wondering exactly the same thing myself, as the ones on my nephews' engine are due to come off soon. I seem to remember from doing my old large Lister (L or M type I think) when I was a teenager, I think I sheared about 3 or 4 out of about 12 studs.

Generally the trick is to avoid a long hard pull on them, going instead for short, sharp, heavy blows with a hammer on the spanner or socket bar (shouldn't really use a ratchet for these kinds of jobs, although we all do from time to time). Short sharp shocks tend to get the nuts off without sheering them, long pulls tend to twist & sheer bolts & studs.

But I too would be interested to know if there are any special tricks with the D types, & if they are prone to sheering etc.

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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by matt86 on Wed Jan 23 2013, 22:30

the main ones that seem to shear seems to be most in the cylinder head like the hopper cover bolts ,

if was me just give everything a good soaking in penetrating oil or Diesel for a week . go out every night and give another dose etc .... or heat works but let it cool down before trying to move it .

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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by Foden on Wed Jan 23 2013, 23:31

Yes the studs can corrode, these head studs from one of my D types appeared to be in decent condition until I started cleaning them up! Smile They are often bent as well.

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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by stationary stu on Thu Jan 24 2013, 11:39

Always before trying to loosen any nuts or bolts turn them the opposite way (tighten) to break the rust seal, then as you loosen keep turning it both ways to help clean the threads as you go, if there really rusty even after the first bit of movement keep applying you WD40 diesel what ever your using, if you get it off by 1 full turn soak it and leave over night again. Some times as you work them loose they get hot well this help to get them off so try and keep going if it's not to tight.
I think it's the top cover bolts where most of the problems are as they seize into the cover as well as the head.

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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by nutgone on Thu Jan 24 2013, 12:23

One of the problems with using easing oil solutions on these is they are capped nuts. But if you slosh enough of it in there some of it's bound to go to the right place.

IIRC these are capped brass nuts on steel studs anyway, which is probably why you don't hear of that much trouble with them. But brass nuts can still cause problems.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Jan 27 2013, 13:34

we spent the morning in the shed regrinding the valves, work has somewhat stopped due to the none arrival of the new head gasket, its in the post was the answer when I chased it up. I am beginning to wish that I made one instead of buying one.
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Post by nutgone on Sun Jan 27 2013, 16:32

Was it Stationaryengineparts.com? Their stuff always seems to take a few days longer than anyone else's.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Jan 27 2013, 18:31

no, it was not stationary engine parts, it was from someone I had used several times before. although I suspect it's the royal mail that are holding the job up.
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Post by stationary stu on Mon Jan 28 2013, 12:09

The first lot of post we had last week was Friday don't know what happened to it.

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Post by Foden on Mon Jan 28 2013, 16:49

stationary stu wrote:The first lot of post we had last week was Friday don't know what happened to it.

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Not much post around here recently as the Post Office has banned the postmen from delivering in icy conditions in towns, should be returning to normal now though.

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Post by stationary stu on Tue Jan 29 2013, 12:56

Health and safety gone stupid before long everything will come to a stand still because of the weather.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sat Feb 02 2013, 12:33

the head gasket has finally arrived. work will start again on sunday. going to the rugby this afternoon Harrogate v Bradford at claro road.
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fitting the head gasket

Post by earlsinclare on Sun Feb 03 2013, 11:47

we fitted the new head gasket and refitted the carb, exhaust and hopper tops. Daisy made all the new gaskets as we went along.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Feb 03 2013, 12:02

daisy is busy cleaning the engine for paint.

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Re: my daughters first engine.

Post by stationary stu on Sun Feb 03 2013, 12:17

Great stuff Richard, is Daisy still enjoying working on her engine in this cold weather.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Feb 03 2013, 13:11

still lots of interest in the lister. she likes to get her hands dirty and help as much as she can. we will make a start on a trolley next, this should but some time till the warmer weather comes and we can start to paint it.
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Post by Andrew1971 on Sun Feb 03 2013, 13:16

Earlsinclare where in north yorkshire are you. The lister came from Leyburn that's not to far from me. My brother live's in bainbridge.

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Feb 03 2013, 13:36

I live near Harrogate, the lister came from a friend of mine in leyburn.
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Post by Foden on Sun Feb 03 2013, 17:35

I could do with hiring Daisy for a week or two Richard, I might just get a few projects stripped for painting! I suppose she would cost a fortune in snap and drinks though so not really sure that I could afford her for long, it might just make your housekeeping go further for a week haha. Laughing
Really good to see her interested in the engine and it looks like a decent job being done as well, is the gasket from Brian Sims at Derby?

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Post by earlsinclare on Sun Feb 03 2013, 17:46

the gasket did come from brian simms, he posted it straight away and it took the post office over a week to deliver it. so much for FIRST CLASS post.
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Post by nutgone on Sun Feb 03 2013, 18:58

What is that head gasket made from? It looks an odd colour. I'm always interested in new materials, especially if they're easy to cut & do the job, & I will probably be looking for a Lister D head gasket myself soon, I don't fancy paying Stationaryengineparts prices for one either. Shocked

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Post by Foden on Sun Feb 03 2013, 19:03

They are a composite material and I use them a lot with no problem. Scroll down Brian's catalogue.
http://www.vintagefarmbooks.com/Catalogue/files/Catalogue12.09.12.pdf

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Post by nutgone on Sun Feb 03 2013, 19:16

Foden wrote:They are a composite material and I use them a lot with no problem. Scroll down Brian's catalogue.
http://www.vintagefarmbooks.com/Catalogue/files/Catalogue12.09.12.pdf

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Cheers, I've given it a scan & saved it to my computer. Very handy. cheers

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Post by earlsinclare on Fri Mar 08 2013, 20:02

"when can we start painting. it's been ages since we did any work on my lister." so we are moving the engine to my dad's workshop for painting.
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Post by Foden on Fri Mar 08 2013, 20:17

Right and all, you cant keep the lass waiting for ever Richard! Laughing Will it be 'Barbie Pink' or something more traditional? Oh and dont forget the pics.

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