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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Thu Dec 27 2012, 12:06

That's what I was thinking, no wonder you get grief from her in doorz starting engines at 1-2 in the morning and I'm sure the neighbours ain't to happy either Laughing Laughing Laughing .
I would say if your starting an engine with an impulse mag it could be started easy on the flywheel if everything is set up correct. Just a quick flick and shes away. Very Happy
Andy your rings will take a little while to bed in before you get full compression etc from the new rings so the more you run it the better it will get.

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Post by stationary stu on Thu Dec 27 2012, 12:08

Just watched the video, she starts well and I do like your laugh of excitement lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 27 2012, 12:29

stationary stu wrote:Just watched the video, she starts well and I do like your laugh of excitement lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 27 2012, 12:33

stationary stu wrote:That's what I was thinking, no wonder you get grief from her in doorz starting engines at 1-2 in the morning and I'm sure the neighbours ain't to happy either Laughing Laughing Laughing .
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The workshop door was shut, and the mrs exaggerates, she said it was like a thunder storm shaking through the house, it probably wasn't that bad but the workshop is attached to the house and she was in the room the other side of the wall Very Happy Mind you, there's no zorst on her at the moment either Very Happy

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Thu Dec 27 2012, 12:51

Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I "accidentally" started an engine up at 2 in the morning??? Very Happy

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Thu Dec 27 2012, 16:54


hmm can't get the video to embed

she is running a bit quick for my liking, and is at the lowest setting on the nob, will whip the cover plate off and adjust the governor arm a bit I think Smile


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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by matt86 on Thu Dec 27 2012, 17:12

Ianhw77k wrote:
matt86 wrote:good news Andy , was the flick on the flywheel by hand ???

If so i am lead to believe that the rings will want replacing soon as they are not meant to be started by hand . you could do that with mine and when it was under load it started to squeak a little . Which was a ring squeak .

same with most engines are not intended to be started by hand . but American engines / open cranks is different design .

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Sounds a bit weird to me, why shouldn't you start an engine from the flywheel by hand? I'd be interested to know the mechanical/scientific explanation Question

Blimey, well past 1 in the morning and you go starting engines Andy! Shocked Still, at least now you know she goes, well done Wink

Welll lets re phrase that , a good condition tip top engine should not be able to be started by hand . I have seen a few lister A's started by hand and no way you would be able to start mine like that way too much compression .... As said with wd's my old one squeaked due to the rings . ive been told its a common thing for them . That what i got told by a chap who makes piston rings .

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by Foden on Thu Dec 27 2012, 21:45

When messing with impulse mag engines I now remove the plug lead after getting caught out at a rally last year. The guy had a 420 BSA and said it wouldnt start so I very slowly turned the crank to TDC to check the timing, the impulse tripped and the bloo*y thing fired up! Got a nasty whack from the handle, lesson learned the hard way! Embarassed He was pleased that I got it going though.........

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by Matth92 on Thu Dec 27 2012, 21:57

All 7 of my WDs I have had over the years would go on the flywheel, if the compression is good it just depends on how feeble you are whether you can flick it over or not Very Happy

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by matt86 on Thu Dec 27 2012, 22:01

Matth92 wrote:All 7 of my WDs I have had over the years would go on the flywheel, if the compression is good it just depends on how feeble you are whether you can flick it over or not Very Happy

im just going on what i have been told matt , i got the impression if you can flick over and it smokes rings are needed .

my old one you could start 1st flick by hand .

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by Matth92 on Thu Dec 27 2012, 23:28

matt86 wrote:
Matth92 wrote:All 7 of my WDs I have had over the years would go on the flywheel, if the compression is good it just depends on how feeble you are whether you can flick it over or not Very Happy

im just going on what i have been told matt , i got the impression if you can flick over and it smokes rings are needed .

my old one you could start 1st flick by hand .

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WDs and PTs dont have a huge amount of compression at the best of times

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Thu Dec 27 2012, 23:32

matt86 wrote:That what i got told by a chap who makes piston rings .

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He's bound to tell you that! he want's to sell you piston rings! Laughing

Was it Bert? I bet it was Bert the piston ring man! he's always saying stuff like that! lol!

I'm only joking with you Matt, I know what you're saying & can understand the logic behind it. But generally impulse engines can be easy to fire up, sometimes a bit too easy (unless they've got "Scott" written on them! Mad )

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by matt86 on Fri Dec 28 2012, 10:12

i know impulse engines are pi55 easy to start had a wd2 and would have another one day il get a wd1 at a decent price . but non impulse engines like English built Listers ... i don't think they should be able to start by rotating the flywheels by hand .

but if they do shows you something even though the bore / rings may be worn they will still run .... bomb proof

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Fri Dec 28 2012, 10:51

There's supposed to be a video on YouTube of someone starting a little Villiers engine on the flywheel, but I've never seen it myself.

Edit: Here you go....

Looks pretty knackered to me.


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Post by matt86 on Fri Dec 28 2012, 11:02

Here we go , Lister a being started on the flywheels .... no mchance that happening on mine ... too much compression it just bounce back .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oyv81gsWbU

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Fri Dec 28 2012, 11:16

matt86 wrote:Here we go , Lister a being started on the flywheels .... no mchance that happening on mine ... too much compression it just bounce back .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oyv81gsWbU

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Notice he doesn't flick it over though. He winds it back to compression to use the full inertia of almost 2 revolutions of the flywheels to get it over compression. You should be able to get most like this over compression with all that inertia.

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by matt86 on Fri Dec 28 2012, 12:04

just never known it to be honest .... as said before mine would just bounce on the compression ... but mine has got a new set of ring on .... well a year ago it did . but it all depends on how much compression the engine has got whatever the engine is wherever you can start by hand or not ...But depending on the CC of the engine more cc would be harder to start i would of thought .


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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by Foden on Fri Dec 28 2012, 12:53

As I said before that BSA wasn't even being flicked over, it just fired on what fuel was in the cylinder when the mag tripped. Quite scary to be honest, I had been warned but forgot about it Shocked

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Post by stationary stu on Fri Dec 28 2012, 13:33

nutgone wrote:There's supposed to be a video on YouTube of someone starting a little Villiers engine on the flywheel, but I've never seen it myself.

Edit: Here you go....

Looks pretty knackered to me.

Now that starts to easy, a good draught when you open the door would start that and it looks a bit smokie bet it gets a lot worse when it warms up.
The only engine I've managed to start with the flywheel is my WD8 and it has good compression.

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by blackvanman on Fri Dec 28 2012, 14:42

figured it out using nuts post


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Post by steve w on Fri Dec 28 2012, 16:00

nice runner - i am impressed i hope to have a new projectin the new yr myself.

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by stationary stu on Fri Dec 28 2012, 17:40

Running very well without it's zorst, when are you expecting your's to arrive?

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Post by blackvanman on Fri Dec 28 2012, 18:37

stationary stu wrote:Running very well without it's zorst, when are you expecting your's to arrive?

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Any time soon Stu, it was shipped yesterday so could be any day Smile

Been out there again today after a trip to the dump in search of wheels, found some, a set of 6 on one of those stair sack truck jobbies Very Happy
Any way, bit blurry on account my hands shake and its dark:





its bolted on, but I still need to sand and wax the woodwork, I would have done it before but the opportunity of a lift on was there, so I took it Smile

A neighbour gave me a lift on with her, so they must still be speaking to me Very Happy

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Post by blackvanman on Sat Dec 29 2012, 11:26

Zorst has arrived Smile bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

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Re: A Wolseley at last!!!!

Post by nutgone on Sat Dec 29 2012, 11:36

blackvanman wrote:A neighbour gave me a lift on with her, so they must still be speaking to me Very Happy

They're probably hoping you'll wheel it off somewhere else! lol!

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