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Post by matt86 on Sun Apr 01 2012, 20:17

As most of you know i have a International M petrol paraffin engine , I have started making the trolley as its just sat on a temporary trolley At the moment , spent a good half a day sanding the wood down as have been previouslly treated with something and where had been stored the damp and mold had got into it .

So been varnishing it with some Yacht varnish , and 5 coats later and a few coach screws later this is what you end up with .






to do

All i need is to go get 2 more stainless coach screws as the prat where got the screws did not count the right amount out Mad

Then all i need to do is to start designing the metalwork .

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by Abes on Sun Apr 01 2012, 20:28

LOL what a sledge now i know they forcasted snow but are you not jumping the gun a bit

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Post by Abes on Sun Apr 01 2012, 20:29

Only kidding mate looking good what size wheels you going to go for

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Sun Apr 01 2012, 20:36

Abes wrote:Only kidding mate looking good what size wheels you going to go for

im being different going for 5 spoke wheels 12" on the rear and 9 " ones on the steering but they will go underneath the trolley for a good turning circle .

I have got the 9 " ones but the 12" ones im picking up next sat . Il need to start thinking about the metal work now .

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by JONESEY on Sun Apr 01 2012, 22:53

Looking good rember must American engines used Galv water pipe for axles
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by stationary stu on Mon Apr 02 2012, 11:14

Looks like you done a good job on that matt, not be long before you have it sorted.

I don't like useing pipe for axles since I had one give way, never again on a big engine, ok on small stuff.

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Mon Apr 02 2012, 18:19

JONESEY wrote:Looking good rember must American engines used Galv water pipe for axles
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surley not on bigger engines like a 3hp ?

i was planning to use solid bar as stronger , its a shame how i can not make a original design of trolley but i think the ideas i have got the yanks would like . But i surpose they was designed to be simple .

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by JONESEY on Mon Apr 02 2012, 23:22

Yes they used 1 1/2 od Galv water pipe it's thick walled
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by Foden on Tue Apr 03 2012, 19:52

Stu your axle broke because someone had drilled through it for bolting to the woodwork instead of using clamps etc, hence it had weakened the pipe. Tube should be fine as long as it is thickwalled as Chris has said, not used it myself but there must be considerable weight saving over solid bar.

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Tue Apr 03 2012, 22:00

Foden wrote:Stu your axle broke because someone had drilled through it for bolting to the woodwork instead of using clamps etc, hence it had weakened the pipe. Tube should be fine as long as it is thickwalled as Chris has said, not used it myself but there must be considerable weight saving over solid bar.

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so if i used this with some pillow blocks should be fine ...????

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Post by Foden on Tue Apr 03 2012, 22:30

I would have thought so matt, as long as it is thick walled and not like an exhaust pipe! I bet that if you look at pics on the forum of Chris's engines they will be on tubular axles.

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Post by JONESEY on Tue Apr 03 2012, 22:40

They all are on thick walled Galv pipe I will take some photos tomorrow
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Wed Apr 04 2012, 00:41

JONESEY wrote:They all are on thick walled Galv pipe I will take some photos tomorrow
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cheers chris , where do you get your galv pipe from ?

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by kevjhnsn on Wed Apr 04 2012, 01:49

1 1/2" thick walled i would say a builder/plumbing suplys yard as thick wall galv was water piping on farms not long back maat
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by JONESEY on Wed Apr 04 2012, 06:06

Matt, out of my garage lol! lol! lol! any air compresser suppliers plumbers.
I get my from a place in Glasgow next day delivery
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Wed Apr 04 2012, 09:23

JONESEY wrote:Matt, out of my garage lol! lol! lol! any air compresser suppliers plumbers.
I get my from a place in Glasgow next day delivery
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Chris i might have to ask you to get me some once i know what length the axles need to be .

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Post by stationary stu on Wed Apr 04 2012, 10:45

Foden wrote:Stu your axle broke because someone had drilled through it for bolting to the woodwork instead of using clamps etc, hence it had weakened the pipe. Tube should be fine as long as it is thickwalled as Chris has said, not used it myself but there must be considerable weight saving over solid bar.

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I can't remember all the details that was years ago, Pete you must have a good memory, I can't remember something that happened last week, think it's the meds I'm on. Embarassed

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by JONESEY on Wed Apr 04 2012, 22:41

Some engines I have on pipe axles, these are the axle blocks I use
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Post by matt86 on Thu Apr 05 2012, 00:27

thanks for the pictures chris , can you get the axle blocks and if so how much ?

also what is the height of them ?

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Post by matt86 on Thu Apr 05 2012, 20:19

a little update today , have been messing around with the IHC and i have got the engine off its skids now and after its off its is well rotten ! fell apart more or less .

I managed to tip the engine onto its rear end and inspect the fuel tank , not is well from where it has been stood around with no fuel in for years the tank has started to rust out and have a few holes , and a puncture wound from looks like somewhere has been stored must been dropped onto something sharp like a crowbar screwdriver etc . That was a mission to get that out due to all the pipes being well stuck in , the majority of the pipes i have got out but there is a few that i need to renew .

So basically its a full fuel system rebuild / replacement from the fuel tank all the way to rebuilding the carb and a new fuel tank and fuel lines .

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Post by kevjhnsn on Fri Apr 06 2012, 02:10

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sounds like you need fertilizer on that money tree of yours
chin up look on the bright side, it could be worse ,it could be me lol lol
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Fri Apr 06 2012, 07:56

kevjhnsn wrote:matt
sounds like you need fertilizer on that money tree of yours
chin up look on the bright side, it could be worse ,it could be me lol lol
franks tanks is the man ,but at a cost or theres a chap on here offering fueltank repairs at a fair price SENIORENGINEERS
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if you need franks tanks number pm me and will dig it out for you mate
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Kev there is no problem getting the parts , as i will be getting from the states , A fuel tank on this engine is not as simple as a European engine just bolts on and 1 fuel line ... the tank is in the base held in place by 2 bolts but the is loads of pipes .

You have the filler pipe that goes into a tee fitting before the tank for a overflow return and then into a nipple to the top of tank itself , then you have the fuel drain a pipe with a cap on the end , then you have a fuel pick up and breather , ( a tube that comes out of the tank from the bottom so can pick up the fuel ) which is a Tee on the top and 2 pieces of pipe 3" long 1/8 NPT to the elbow for the pickup whish joins on the fuel line , and the breather 1/4 NPT to a elbow the another piece of 3" long x 1/4 NPT pipe to the breather cap .
then there is the 3/8 fuel lines i need to make with NPT compression fitting on as someone has cut them and fitted plastic fuel line . Then a new fuel pump as its not there , and a big pile of parts to rebuild the carb .

In all the parts fills half a sheet of a4 lines paper Shocked

total price before shipping and import tax is £224 .

this will have to wait a bit i think as have some more jobs at priority and rallying over the summer .

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by JONESEY on Fri Apr 06 2012, 09:38

Matt, for your M type wheels should be 14" dia , 3 " face
Axles are 1" pipe, 28 1/8 long
Wheels are 6 spokes type.
If you give me the engine numbers I will date it for you
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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by matt86 on Fri Apr 06 2012, 09:59

JONESEY wrote:Matt, for your M type wheels should be 14" dia , 3 " face
Axles are 1" pipe, 28 1/8 long
Wheels are 6 spokes type.
If you give me the engine numbers I will date it for you
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thanks for the offer Chris but i have already dated it .... 1925

I have allready got some wheels that are close enough to what the original cart drawings i got from the states Says that should be 12" on the rear and 9" on the steering axle ... so that is what i have gone by . I will just have to get the wheels drilled out to just above a inch .

thanks for your help , matt

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Re: International M trolley building & restoration

Post by Abes on Fri Apr 06 2012, 10:13

Dont worry Matt there's no rush and it will be all the sweeter when its fully restored and up and running, Matt did you find out where Jonesey got the axel blocks from in the end as could do with some of them myself

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